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From: Zach Brown <zach.brown@oracle.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch] call truncate_inode_pages in the DIO fallback to buffered I/O path
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 11:40:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45240034.2040704@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061004111603.20cdaa35.akpm@osdl.org>


> We have lots of nice new tools in-kernel which permit applications to
> manipulate and to invalidate pagecache.  Please, start using them rather
> than pushing bits of oracle into the core vfs ;)

And apps that were written before they were available? :)  We're OK with
their behaviour changing under newer kernels because they now have a
previous source of memory pressure that they didn't have before?

It seems a bit much to suggest that retaining the previous behaviour of
avoiding memory pressure by using the O_DIRECT API is somehow "pushing
bits of oracle into the core vfs" :).

Maybe that aspect of the API was unintentional, though.  That would be a
shame.  I suspect Oracle isn't alone in relying on it.

> Please, no truncate_inode_pages.  For this application, the far-safer
> invalidate_inode_pages() would suffice.

So now apps always have to pay the cost of looking up pages to
invalidate on the off chance that they wrote to a sparse region, based
on the current implementation detail that sparse regions fall back to
buffered?

- z

  reply	other threads:[~2006-10-04 18:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-10-04 17:04 [patch] call truncate_inode_pages in the DIO fallback to buffered I/O path Jeff Moyer
2006-10-04 17:25 ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-04 17:51   ` Zach Brown
2006-10-04 17:53     ` Jeff Moyer
2006-10-04 18:16       ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-04 18:40         ` Zach Brown [this message]
2006-10-04 19:16           ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-04 20:53             ` Jeff Moyer
2006-10-04 21:22               ` Jeff Moyer
2006-10-04 23:55               ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-05 19:31                 ` Jeff Moyer
2006-10-06 20:11                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-11 16:48                     ` jmoyer
2006-10-11 18:37                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-12 22:01                         ` Jeff Moyer
2006-10-12 22:37                           ` Andrew Morton

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