From: Ric Wheeler <ric@emc.com>
To: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
"Phetteplace, Thad (GE Healthcare,
consultant)" <Thad.Phetteplace@ge.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Bandwidth Allocations under CFQ I/O Scheduler
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:37:06 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4534EA92.3090609@emc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061017132312.GD7854@kernel.dk>
Jens Axboe wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 17 2006, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 16:46 -0400, Phetteplace, Thad (GE Healthcare,
>>consultant) wrote:
>>
>>>The I/O priority levels available under the CFQ scheduler are
>>>nice (no pun in intended), but I remember some talk back when
>>>they first went in that future versions might include bandwidth
>>>allocations in addition to the 'niceness' style. Is anyone out
>>>there working on that? If not, I'm willing to hack up a proof
>>>of concept... I just wan't to make sure I'm not reinventing
>>>the wheel.
>>
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>it's a nice idea in theory. However... since IO bandwidth for seeks is
>>about 1% to 3% of that of sequential IO (on disks at least), which
>>bandwidth do you want to allocate? "worst case" you need to use the
>>all-seeks bandwidth, but that's so far away from "best case" that it may
>>well not be relevant in practice. Yet there are real world cases where
>>for a period of time you approach worst case behavior ;(
>
>
> Bandwidth reservation would have to be confined to special cases, you
> obviously cannot do it "in general" for the reasons Arjan lists above.
> So you absolutely have to limit any meta data io that would cause seeks,
> and the file in question would have to be laid out in a closely
> sequential fashion. As long as the access pattern generated by the app
> asking for reservation is largely sequential, the kernel can do whatever
> it needs to help you maintain the required bandwidth.
>
> On a per-file basis the bandwidth reservation should be doable, to the
> extent that generic hardware allows.
I agree - bandwidth allocation is really tricky to do in a useful way.
On one hand, you could "time slice" the disk with some large quanta as
we would do with a CPU to get some reasonably useful allocation for
competing, streaming workloads.
On the other hand, this kind of thing would kill latency if/when you hit
any synchronous writes (or cold reads).
One other possible use for allocation is throttling a background
workload (say, an interative checker for a file system or some such
thing) where the workload can run effectively forever, but should be
contained to not interfere with foreground workloads. A similar time
slice might be used to throttle this load done unless there is no
competing work to be done.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-10-17 14:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-10-16 20:46 Bandwidth Allocations under CFQ I/O Scheduler Phetteplace, Thad (GE Healthcare, consultant)
2006-10-17 1:24 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-17 13:23 ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-17 14:37 ` Ric Wheeler [this message]
2006-10-17 14:47 ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-17 14:46 ` Phetteplace, Thad (GE Healthcare, consultant)
2006-10-18 8:00 ` Jakob Oestergaard
2006-10-18 9:40 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-18 11:30 ` Jakob Oestergaard
2006-10-18 11:49 ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-18 12:23 ` Jakob Oestergaard
2006-10-18 12:42 ` Alan Cox
2006-10-18 12:44 ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-18 12:55 ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-18 13:04 ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-18 13:39 ` Jakob Oestergaard
2006-10-18 13:51 ` Paulo Marques
2006-10-19 12:22 ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-18 13:37 ` Jakob Oestergaard
2006-10-18 12:44 ` Jakob Oestergaard
2006-10-18 12:42 ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-18 13:35 ` Jakob Oestergaard
2006-10-18 9:51 ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-18 11:00 ` Helge Hafting
2006-10-18 11:14 ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-18 11:23 ` Ric Wheeler
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