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From: Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>
To: Muli Ben-Yehuda <muli@il.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] KVM: Kernel-based Virtual Machine
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:00:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4537BD27.7050509@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061019173151.GD4957@rhun.haifa.ibm.com>

Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Looks pretty interesting! some comments:
>
> - patch 4/7 hasn't made it to the list?
>   

Probably too big.  It's also the ugliest.  I'll split it and resend (not 
through thunderbird though... ate all my tabs!).


> - it would be useful for reviewing this if you could post example code
>   making use of the /dev/kvm interfaces - they seem fairly complex.
>   

Working code is fairly hairy, since it's emulating a PC.  That'll be on 
sourceforge once they approve my new project.

In general one does

  open("/dev/kvm")
  ioctl(KVM_SET_MEMORY_REGION) for main memory
  ioctl(KVM_SET_MEMORY_REGION) for the framebuffer
  ioctl(KVM_CREATE_VCPU) for the obvious reason
  if (debugger)
    ioctl(KVM_DEBUG_GUEST) to singlestep or breakpoint the guest
  while (1) {
     ioctl(KVM_RUN)
     switch (exit reason) {
         handle mmio, I/O etc. might call
            ioctl(KVM_INTERRUPT) to queue an external interrupt
            ioctl(KVM_{GET,SET}_{REGS,SREGS}) to query/modify registers
            ioctl(KVM_GET_DIRTY_LOG) to see which guest memory pages 
have changed
     }

I have some simple test code, I'll clean it up and post it.

> - why do it this way rather than through a virtual machine monitor
>   such as Xen? what do you gain from having the virtual machines
>   encapsulated as Linux processes?
>   

- architectural simplicity: instead of splitting memory management and 
scheduling between Xen and domain 0, use just the Linux memory 
management and scheduler
- use standard tools (top(1), kill(1)) and security model (permissions 
on /dev/kvm)
- much smaller codebase (although paravirtualization is not included (yet))
- no changes to core code
- easy to upgrade an existing system
- easier for drive-by virtualization (modprobe kvm; do-your-stuff; 
ctrl-C; rmmod kvm)
- longer term, better performance since there's no need to switch to 
domain 0 for I/O (instead just switch to user mode of the VM's process)

-- 
Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.


  reply	other threads:[~2006-10-19 18:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-10-19 13:45 [PATCH 0/7] KVM: Kernel-based Virtual Machine Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 13:47 ` [PATCH 1/7] KVM: userspace interface Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 14:30   ` John Stoffel
2006-10-19 14:43     ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 23:26       ` Greg KH
2006-10-19 14:50     ` Alan Cox
2006-10-19 14:51       ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 15:25         ` John Stoffel
2006-10-19 18:49       ` Anthony Liguori
2006-10-19 19:10         ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 19:17           ` Anthony Liguori
2006-10-20  7:36             ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-20 15:33               ` Anthony Liguori
2006-10-22  8:10                 ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 20:36         ` Alan Cox
2006-10-19 18:46   ` Anthony Liguori
2006-10-19 19:04     ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 19:09       ` Anthony Liguori
2006-10-19 19:26         ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 19:31           ` Anthony Liguori
2006-10-19 22:15             ` Alan Cox
2006-10-20  7:42             ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-20 15:35               ` Anthony Liguori
2006-10-19 20:10       ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-19 20:14   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-10-20  7:16     ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-21 15:50       ` Arnd Bergmann
2006-10-22  8:19         ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-21 13:37   ` Steven Rostedt
2006-10-22  8:14     ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 13:48 ` [PATCH 2/7] KVM: Intel virtual mode extensions definitions Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 20:19   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-10-19 21:54     ` Alan Cox
2006-10-20  7:17     ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-21 13:48   ` Steven Rostedt
2006-10-22  8:17     ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 13:49 ` [PATCH 3/7] KVM: kvm data structures Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 13:53 ` [PATCH 5/7] KVM: mmu virtualization Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 20:26   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-10-20  7:24     ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 13:54 ` [PATCH 6/7] KVM: x86 emulator Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 13:56 ` [PATCH 7/7] KVM: plumbing Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 13:58 ` [PATCH 0/7] KVM: Kernel-based Virtual Machine Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 16:05 ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-19 16:09   ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 19:02     ` Anthony Liguori
2006-10-19 19:14       ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 19:28         ` Anthony Liguori
2006-10-20  7:37           ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 17:31 ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
2006-10-19 18:00   ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2006-10-19 18:12     ` Randy Dunlap
2006-10-19 18:14       ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 18:30         ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-10-21 16:16     ` Arnd Bergmann
2006-10-22  8:37       ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-22 15:23         ` Arnd Bergmann
2006-10-22 16:18           ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-22 16:51             ` Arnd Bergmann
2006-10-22 17:01               ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-22 17:06                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2006-10-22 17:41                   ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-22 17:47                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2006-10-22 17:56                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-10-22 18:00                   ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-22 18:36                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2006-10-22 18:41                       ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-22 18:49                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2006-10-22 18:55                           ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-22 22:26                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-23 22:29                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-10-22 20:01                   ` Alan Cox
2006-10-22 20:45                   ` Roland Dreier
2006-10-23  0:29                   ` Anthony Liguori
2006-10-25 16:42                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-22 19:59               ` Alan Cox
2006-10-22 22:28                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-23  0:27                   ` Roland Dreier
2006-10-23  0:39                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-23  0:51                       ` Roland Dreier
2006-10-22 17:39         ` Anthony Liguori
2006-10-22 17:53           ` Arnd Bergmann
2006-10-22 19:56         ` Alan Cox
2006-10-23  7:42           ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-24 21:38       ` kvm_create() (was Re: [PATCH 0/7] KVM: Kernel-based Virtual Machine) Andy Isaacson
2006-10-19 18:55   ` [PATCH 0/7] KVM: Kernel-based Virtual Machine Anthony Liguori

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