From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ALSA: hda-intel - Disable MSI support by default
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:40:33 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <455A7E21.7020701@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611141747490.3349@woody.osdl.org>
Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, Jeff Garzik wrote:
>> :( Like AHCI, PCI MSI has -always- worked wonderfully for HD audio AFAIK.
>
> That "AFAIK" is shorthand for "As Far As I haven't read any of the
> bug-reports but Know", right?
None of the bug reports indicate Intel, thus following the well
established pattern of "it works great on Intel, but not elsewhere"
>> Is a whitelist patch forthcoming?
>
> Probably not. The advantages of MSI aren't all that obvious, and the
> disadvantages seem to be that it just doesn't work all that well for some
> people.
>
> The fact that it works for MOST people has absolutely zero relevance.
> We've had too many frigging patches that have apparently been of the "this
> works for me, I don't care if some other motherboard has problems" kind.
>
> See for example:
>
> http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/10/7/164
>
> and yes, that HDA MSI _does_ seem to be causing problems.
But not on Intel, hence the obvious whitelist question.
> So don't blather about "MSI never causes problems". It's broken. Please
> stop living in denial.
>
> When somebody can actually say what the huge advantages to MSI are that
> it's worth using when
>
> (a) several motherboards are apparently known broken
several non-Intel motherboards
> (b) microsoft apparently is of the same opinion and _also_ doesn't use it
Yeah well, that's sage advice only when it's sage advice. MS lags us by
years. We do some bleeding, on the bleeding edge.
> (c) the old non-MSI code works fine
>
> (d) there is apparently no fool-proof way to tell when it works and when
> it doesn't.
>
> then please holler. Btw, I'm not even _interested_ in any advantages
> unless you also have a solution for (d). Not a "it should work". I want to
> hear something that is _guaranteed_ to work.
if (intel) ...
That has a track record of working.
It's nice not to have to deal with shared interrupts.
Jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-11-15 2:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2006-11-15 1:34 ` [PATCH] ALSA: hda-intel - Disable MSI support by default Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 1:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 2:40 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2006-11-15 2:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 3:00 ` David Miller
2006-11-15 3:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 3:21 ` David Miller
2006-11-15 3:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 4:11 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 4:15 ` David Miller
2006-11-15 4:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 4:28 ` David Miller
2006-11-16 2:25 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-16 2:28 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-16 3:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-16 4:12 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-16 6:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-16 14:41 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-11-16 15:27 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-16 17:24 ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15 19:09 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-11-15 19:23 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 19:49 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-11-15 22:31 ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-16 2:24 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15 4:30 ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15 4:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 15:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 18:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 18:45 ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-16 2:29 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15 13:34 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-11-15 18:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 19:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 19:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 19:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 19:59 ` Mws
2006-11-15 20:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 20:53 ` Olivier Nicolas
2006-11-16 6:08 ` Yinghai Lu
2006-11-16 23:25 ` Olivier Nicolas
2006-11-15 21:10 ` Mws
2006-11-16 11:10 ` Mws
2006-11-15 4:14 ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15 4:49 ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-15 4:57 ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15 5:11 ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-15 22:43 ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15 18:35 ` [PATCH] ACPI: use MSI_NOT_SUPPORTED bit Randy Dunlap
2006-11-15 18:44 ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-15 19:41 ` [PATCH v2] " Randy Dunlap
2006-11-15 19:58 ` [PATCH v3] " Randy Dunlap
2006-11-15 20:19 ` [PATCH] " Len Brown
2006-11-16 2:22 ` [PATCH] ALSA: hda-intel - Disable MSI support by default Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15 10:31 ` Takashi Iwai
2006-11-15 16:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 16:24 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-15 16:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 18:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 18:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 19:01 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-15 19:34 ` Stephen Clark
2006-11-15 19:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 20:01 ` Stephen Clark
2006-11-15 18:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 18:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 18:58 ` Takashi Iwai
2006-11-15 19:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-16 10:44 ` Takashi Iwai
2006-11-16 23:01 ` Olivier Nicolas
2006-11-17 10:55 ` Takashi Iwai
2006-11-17 16:17 ` Yinghai Lu
2006-11-17 16:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 19:20 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-11-15 22:35 ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15 4:01 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15 4:07 ` David Miller
2006-11-15 7:23 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15 10:06 ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-11-15 4:23 ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15 7:24 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15 4:04 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15 4:14 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 4:24 ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15 2:58 ` Randy Dunlap
2006-11-15 3:10 ` D. Hazelton
2006-11-15 3:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 3:53 ` D. Hazelton
2006-11-15 11:40 ` Alan
2006-11-16 4:06 ` D. Hazelton
2006-11-16 0:17 Lu, Yinghai
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-11-16 3:50 Lu, Yinghai
2006-11-16 23:36 ` Olivier Nicolas
2006-11-16 4:24 linux
2006-11-16 10:53 ` Alan
2006-11-16 16:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-16 4:25 Lu, Yinghai
2006-11-16 18:00 ` D. Hazelton
2006-11-16 23:54 Lu, Yinghai
2006-11-17 0:49 ` Olivier Nicolas
2006-11-17 17:42 Lu, Yinghai
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