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From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ALSA: hda-intel - Disable MSI support by default
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:40:33 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <455A7E21.7020701@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611141747490.3349@woody.osdl.org>

Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, Jeff Garzik wrote:
>> :(  Like AHCI, PCI MSI has -always- worked wonderfully for HD audio AFAIK.
> 
> That "AFAIK" is shorthand for "As Far As I haven't read any of the 
> bug-reports but Know", right?

None of the bug reports indicate Intel, thus following the well 
established pattern of "it works great on Intel, but not elsewhere"


>> Is a whitelist patch forthcoming?
> 
> Probably not. The advantages of MSI aren't all that obvious, and the 
> disadvantages seem to be that it just doesn't work all that well for some 
> people.
> 
> The fact that it works for MOST people has absolutely zero relevance. 
> We've had too many frigging patches that have apparently been of the "this 
> works for me, I don't care if some other motherboard has problems" kind.
> 
> See for example:
> 
> 	http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/10/7/164
> 
> and yes, that HDA MSI _does_ seem to be causing problems.

But not on Intel, hence the obvious whitelist question.


> So don't blather about "MSI never causes problems". It's broken. Please 
> stop living in denial.
> 
> When somebody can actually say what the huge advantages to MSI are that 
> it's worth using when 
> 
>  (a) several motherboards are apparently known broken

several non-Intel motherboards


>  (b) microsoft apparently is of the same opinion and _also_ doesn't use it

Yeah well, that's sage advice only when it's sage advice.  MS lags us by 
years.  We do some bleeding, on the bleeding edge.


>  (c) the old non-MSI code works fine
> 
>  (d) there is apparently no fool-proof way to tell when it works and when 
>      it doesn't.
> 
> then please holler. Btw, I'm not even _interested_ in any advantages 
> unless you also have a solution for (d). Not a "it should work". I want to 
> hear something that is _guaranteed_ to work.

if (intel) ...

That has a track record of working.

It's nice not to have to deal with shared interrupts.

	Jeff



  reply	other threads:[~2006-11-15  2:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200611150059.kAF0xBTl009796@hera.kernel.org>
2006-11-15  1:34 ` [PATCH] ALSA: hda-intel - Disable MSI support by default Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15  1:55   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15  2:40     ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2006-11-15  2:49       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15  3:00         ` David Miller
2006-11-15  3:10           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15  3:21             ` David Miller
2006-11-15  3:54               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15  4:11                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15  4:15                   ` David Miller
2006-11-15  4:24                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15  4:28                       ` David Miller
2006-11-16  2:25                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-16  2:28                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-16  3:25                           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-16  4:12                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-16  6:13                               ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-16 14:41                                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-11-16 15:27                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-16 17:24                                     ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15 19:09                       ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-11-15 19:23                         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 19:49                           ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-11-15 22:31                             ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-16  2:24                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15  4:30                   ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15  4:56                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 15:53                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 18:30                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 18:45                       ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-16  2:29                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15 13:34                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-11-15 18:42                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 19:04                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 19:20                         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 19:35                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 19:59                             ` Mws
2006-11-15 20:14                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 20:53                                 ` Olivier Nicolas
2006-11-16  6:08                                   ` Yinghai Lu
2006-11-16 23:25                                     ` Olivier Nicolas
2006-11-15 21:10                                 ` Mws
2006-11-16 11:10                                   ` Mws
2006-11-15  4:14                 ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15  4:49                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-15  4:57                   ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15  5:11                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-15 22:43                       ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15 18:35                   ` [PATCH] ACPI: use MSI_NOT_SUPPORTED bit Randy Dunlap
2006-11-15 18:44                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-15 19:41                       ` [PATCH v2] " Randy Dunlap
2006-11-15 19:58                         ` [PATCH v3] " Randy Dunlap
2006-11-15 20:19                     ` [PATCH] " Len Brown
2006-11-16  2:22                 ` [PATCH] ALSA: hda-intel - Disable MSI support by default Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15 10:31               ` Takashi Iwai
2006-11-15 16:19                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 16:24                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-15 16:36                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 18:40                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 18:51                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 19:01                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-15 19:34                       ` Stephen Clark
2006-11-15 19:48                         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 20:01                           ` Stephen Clark
2006-11-15 18:32                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 18:32                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 18:58                   ` Takashi Iwai
2006-11-15 19:15                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-16 10:44                       ` Takashi Iwai
2006-11-16 23:01                         ` Olivier Nicolas
2006-11-17 10:55                           ` Takashi Iwai
2006-11-17 16:17                             ` Yinghai Lu
2006-11-17 16:35                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 19:20                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-11-15 22:35                   ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15  4:01           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15  4:07             ` David Miller
2006-11-15  7:23               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15 10:06                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-11-15  4:23             ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15  7:24               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15  4:04         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15  4:14           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15  4:24           ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15  2:58       ` Randy Dunlap
2006-11-15  3:10       ` D. Hazelton
2006-11-15  3:30         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15  3:53           ` D. Hazelton
2006-11-15 11:40             ` Alan
2006-11-16  4:06               ` D. Hazelton
2006-11-16  0:17 Lu, Yinghai
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-11-16  3:50 Lu, Yinghai
2006-11-16 23:36 ` Olivier Nicolas
2006-11-16  4:24 linux
2006-11-16 10:53 ` Alan
2006-11-16 16:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-16  4:25 Lu, Yinghai
2006-11-16 18:00 ` D. Hazelton
2006-11-16 23:54 Lu, Yinghai
2006-11-17  0:49 ` Olivier Nicolas
2006-11-17 17:42 Lu, Yinghai

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