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From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tiwai@suse.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ALSA: hda-intel - Disable MSI support by default
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:11:54 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <455A938A.4060002@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611141935390.3349@woody.osdl.org>

Linus Torvalds wrote:
> HOWEVER - that's only true on systems with no other PCI bridges. Even if 
> you have an Intel NB/SB, what about other bridges in that same system, and 
> the devices behind them? 
> 
> Now, I think that a MSI thing should look like a PCI write to a magic 
> address (I'm really not very up on it, so correct me if I'm wrong), and 
> thus maybe bridges are bound to get it right, and the only thing we really 
> need to worry about is the host bridge. Maybe. In that case, it might be 
> sensible to have a host-bridge white-table, and if we know all Intel 
> bridges that claim to support MSI do so correctly, then maybe we can just 
> say "ok, always enable it for Intel host bridges".

That's pretty much the idea behind MSI... it looks like any other PCI 
bus transaction, rather than needing a separate pin.


> But right now I'm not convinced we really know what all goes wrong. Maybe 
> it's just broken NVidia and AMD bridges. But maybe it's also individual 
> devices that continue to (for example) raise _both_ the legacy IRQ line 
> _and_ send an MSI request.

That reminds me of a potential driver bug -- MSI-aware drivers need to 
call pci_intx(pdev,0) to turn off the legacy PCI interrupt, before 
enabling MSI interrupts.

So far, MSI history on x86 has always followed these rules:
* it works on Intel
* it doesn't work [well | at all] on AMD/NV

The only thing that has changed recently is that people are trying to 
get it working on AMD/NV as well.  (Brice Goglin's stuff starting at 
6397c75cbc4d7dbc3d07278b57c82a47dafb21b5 in 'git log')

Seems to me this hda-intel driver patch is fallout from 
pci_msi_enabled() not failing on enough systems (all AMD/NV?).

Anyway, if you want your master switch, put it there, not in each driver...

	Jeff



  reply	other threads:[~2006-11-15  4:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200611150059.kAF0xBTl009796@hera.kernel.org>
2006-11-15  1:34 ` [PATCH] ALSA: hda-intel - Disable MSI support by default Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15  1:55   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15  2:40     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15  2:49       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15  3:00         ` David Miller
2006-11-15  3:10           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15  3:21             ` David Miller
2006-11-15  3:54               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15  4:11                 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2006-11-15  4:15                   ` David Miller
2006-11-15  4:24                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15  4:28                       ` David Miller
2006-11-16  2:25                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-16  2:28                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-16  3:25                           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-16  4:12                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-16  6:13                               ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-16 14:41                                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-11-16 15:27                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-16 17:24                                     ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15 19:09                       ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-11-15 19:23                         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 19:49                           ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-11-15 22:31                             ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-16  2:24                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15  4:30                   ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15  4:56                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 15:53                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 18:30                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 18:45                       ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-16  2:29                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15 13:34                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-11-15 18:42                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 19:04                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 19:20                         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 19:35                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 19:59                             ` Mws
2006-11-15 20:14                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 20:53                                 ` Olivier Nicolas
2006-11-16  6:08                                   ` Yinghai Lu
2006-11-16 23:25                                     ` Olivier Nicolas
2006-11-15 21:10                                 ` Mws
2006-11-16 11:10                                   ` Mws
2006-11-15  4:14                 ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15  4:49                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-15  4:57                   ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15  5:11                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-15 22:43                       ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15 18:35                   ` [PATCH] ACPI: use MSI_NOT_SUPPORTED bit Randy Dunlap
2006-11-15 18:44                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-15 19:41                       ` [PATCH v2] " Randy Dunlap
2006-11-15 19:58                         ` [PATCH v3] " Randy Dunlap
2006-11-15 20:19                     ` [PATCH] " Len Brown
2006-11-16  2:22                 ` [PATCH] ALSA: hda-intel - Disable MSI support by default Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15 10:31               ` Takashi Iwai
2006-11-15 16:19                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 16:24                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-15 16:36                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 18:40                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 18:51                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 19:01                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-15 19:34                       ` Stephen Clark
2006-11-15 19:48                         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 20:01                           ` Stephen Clark
2006-11-15 18:32                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 18:32                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 18:58                   ` Takashi Iwai
2006-11-15 19:15                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-16 10:44                       ` Takashi Iwai
2006-11-16 23:01                         ` Olivier Nicolas
2006-11-17 10:55                           ` Takashi Iwai
2006-11-17 16:17                             ` Yinghai Lu
2006-11-17 16:35                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 19:20                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-11-15 22:35                   ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15  4:01           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15  4:07             ` David Miller
2006-11-15  7:23               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15 10:06                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-11-15  4:23             ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15  7:24               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15  4:04         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15  4:14           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15  4:24           ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15  2:58       ` Randy Dunlap
2006-11-15  3:10       ` D. Hazelton
2006-11-15  3:30         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15  3:53           ` D. Hazelton
2006-11-15 11:40             ` Alan
2006-11-16  4:06               ` D. Hazelton
2006-11-16  0:17 Lu, Yinghai
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-11-16  3:50 Lu, Yinghai
2006-11-16 23:36 ` Olivier Nicolas
2006-11-16  4:24 linux
2006-11-16 10:53 ` Alan
2006-11-16 16:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-16  4:25 Lu, Yinghai
2006-11-16 18:00 ` D. Hazelton
2006-11-16 23:54 Lu, Yinghai
2006-11-17  0:49 ` Olivier Nicolas
2006-11-17 17:42 Lu, Yinghai

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