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From: Stephen Clark <Stephen.Clark@seclark.us>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ALSA: hda-intel - Disable MSI support by default
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:01:55 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <455B7233.5080000@seclark.us> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <455B6F20.6050503@garzik.org>

Jeff Garzik wrote:

>Stephen Clark wrote:
>  
>
>>Also, I find it disturbing that we are forcing users to have know about 
>>all these
>>magic options that have to be put on the kernel boot line. My hard drive 
>>on my
>>new laptop would only run at 1.2mbs until I found out I had to use 
>>combined_mode=libata
>>and build a new ramdisk that included ata_piix.
>>    
>>
>
>That's what happens when two drivers want to drive the same hardware. 
>The "slow and safe" default is the only proven-stable option, with the 
>proven-stable PATA driver.  The other two options (drivers/ide for 
>PATA+SATA -> leads to SATA locksup) and (libata for PATA -> ok but 
>breaks existing configs, and less field time) are considered less safe.
>
>  
>
The problem with this approach is the average user will just think linux 
sucks - it is so
slow, they won't know how to investigate or trouble shoot the problem, 
and just go back to winblows.
I've got an ich7 chipset that supports sata and ide. My laptop has only 
ide devices so why
is there a conflict that has to be resolved by combined mode? Why can't 
the sata driver
be smart enough to know there are no sata devices for it to handle?

>Combined mode is ugly no matter how you look at it.  Just turn it off in 
>BIOS (or pressure system vendor for this ability if BIOS lacks it, e.g. 
>some Dell servers)
>
>And throw some annoyance at Intel for creating such a headache.
>
>	Jeff
>
>
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  reply	other threads:[~2006-11-15 20:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200611150059.kAF0xBTl009796@hera.kernel.org>
2006-11-15  1:34 ` [PATCH] ALSA: hda-intel - Disable MSI support by default Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15  1:55   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15  2:40     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15  2:49       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15  3:00         ` David Miller
2006-11-15  3:10           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15  3:21             ` David Miller
2006-11-15  3:54               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15  4:11                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15  4:15                   ` David Miller
2006-11-15  4:24                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15  4:28                       ` David Miller
2006-11-16  2:25                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-16  2:28                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-16  3:25                           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-16  4:12                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-16  6:13                               ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-16 14:41                                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-11-16 15:27                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-16 17:24                                     ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15 19:09                       ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-11-15 19:23                         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 19:49                           ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-11-15 22:31                             ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-16  2:24                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15  4:30                   ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15  4:56                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 15:53                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 18:30                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 18:45                       ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-16  2:29                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15 13:34                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-11-15 18:42                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 19:04                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 19:20                         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 19:35                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 19:59                             ` Mws
2006-11-15 20:14                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 20:53                                 ` Olivier Nicolas
2006-11-16  6:08                                   ` Yinghai Lu
2006-11-16 23:25                                     ` Olivier Nicolas
2006-11-15 21:10                                 ` Mws
2006-11-16 11:10                                   ` Mws
2006-11-15  4:14                 ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15  4:49                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-15  4:57                   ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15  5:11                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-15 22:43                       ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15 18:35                   ` [PATCH] ACPI: use MSI_NOT_SUPPORTED bit Randy Dunlap
2006-11-15 18:44                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-15 19:41                       ` [PATCH v2] " Randy Dunlap
2006-11-15 19:58                         ` [PATCH v3] " Randy Dunlap
2006-11-15 20:19                     ` [PATCH] " Len Brown
2006-11-16  2:22                 ` [PATCH] ALSA: hda-intel - Disable MSI support by default Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15 10:31               ` Takashi Iwai
2006-11-15 16:19                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 16:24                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-15 16:36                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 18:40                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 18:51                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 19:01                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-15 19:34                       ` Stephen Clark
2006-11-15 19:48                         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 20:01                           ` Stephen Clark [this message]
2006-11-15 18:32                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 18:32                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15 18:58                   ` Takashi Iwai
2006-11-15 19:15                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-16 10:44                       ` Takashi Iwai
2006-11-16 23:01                         ` Olivier Nicolas
2006-11-17 10:55                           ` Takashi Iwai
2006-11-17 16:17                             ` Yinghai Lu
2006-11-17 16:35                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-15 19:20                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-11-15 22:35                   ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15  4:01           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15  4:07             ` David Miller
2006-11-15  7:23               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15 10:06                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-11-15  4:23             ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15  7:24               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15  4:04         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-15  4:14           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15  4:24           ` Roland Dreier
2006-11-15  2:58       ` Randy Dunlap
2006-11-15  3:10       ` D. Hazelton
2006-11-15  3:30         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-15  3:53           ` D. Hazelton
2006-11-15 11:40             ` Alan
2006-11-16  4:06               ` D. Hazelton
2006-11-16  0:17 Lu, Yinghai
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-11-16  3:50 Lu, Yinghai
2006-11-16 23:36 ` Olivier Nicolas
2006-11-16  4:24 linux
2006-11-16 10:53 ` Alan
2006-11-16 16:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-16  4:25 Lu, Yinghai
2006-11-16 18:00 ` D. Hazelton
2006-11-16 23:54 Lu, Yinghai
2006-11-17  0:49 ` Olivier Nicolas
2006-11-17 17:42 Lu, Yinghai

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