From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@linux01.gwdg.de>,
Gunter Ohrner <G.Ohrner@post.rwth-aachen.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Entropy Pool Contents
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 20:01:43 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <45664477.4030003@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061124004855.GA10937@thunk.org>
Theodore Tso wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 23, 2006 at 01:10:08AM +0100, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
>> Disk activities are "somewhat predictable", like network traffic, and
>> hence are not (or should not - have not checked it) contribute to the
>> pool. Note that urandom is the device which _always_ gives you data, and
>> when the pool is exhausted, returns pseudorandom data.
>
> Plesae read the following article before making such assertions:
>
> D. Davis, R. Ihaka, P.R. Fenstermacher, "Cryptographic
> Randomness from Air Turbulence in Disk Drives", in Advances in
> Cryptology -- CRYPTO '94 Conference Proceedings, edited by Yvo
> G. Desmedt, pp.114--120. Lecture Notes in Computer Science
> #839. Heidelberg: Springer-Verlag, 1994.
> http://world.std.com/~dtd/random/forward.ps
Note that the controller hardware in question plays a large role in
these things. Most modern network controllers, and a few recent SATA or
SAS controllers, include hardware interrupt mitigation, which can cause
interrupts to fire on a timed basis in some load profiles.
Compounding that, both software and hardware interrupt mitigation lead
(intentionally) to a marked decrease in overall interrupts, which leads
to less entropy even if the interrupt handler is sampling randomness.
IMO there is an overall trend needing-more-entropy-than-you-have for
headless network servers. If you have a hardware RNG, use that and rngd
to fill the entropy pool. If you don't, look into various entropy
gathering daemons (audio-entropyd, video-entropyd, egd, and others).
You can gather entropy from system stats, open microphones, open video
channels, thermal diodes, ...
Jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-11-24 1:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-11-22 23:54 Entropy Pool Contents Gunter Ohrner
2006-11-22 23:59 ` Gunter Ohrner
2006-11-23 0:10 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-11-23 21:40 ` Gunter Ohrner
2006-11-27 16:16 ` Phillip Susi
2006-11-27 16:19 ` Chris Friesen
2006-11-27 18:54 ` Phillip Susi
2006-11-27 19:33 ` David Wagner
2006-11-27 20:38 ` Phillip Susi
2006-11-27 20:40 ` David Wagner
2006-11-27 21:52 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-11-28 4:17 ` David Wagner
2006-11-28 5:19 ` Ben Pfaff
2006-11-28 12:13 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2006-11-28 12:58 ` David Wagner
2006-11-28 13:32 ` Eran Tromer
2006-11-28 13:15 ` Martin Mares
2006-11-28 17:22 ` Phillip Susi
2006-11-28 17:24 ` Martin Mares
2006-11-28 17:46 ` Phillip Susi
2006-11-28 17:49 ` Martin Mares
2006-11-28 18:40 ` Phillip Susi
2006-11-28 21:05 ` Martin Mares
2006-11-29 20:04 ` Phillip Susi
2006-11-28 17:42 ` Phillip Susi
2006-11-28 17:59 ` Martin Mares
2006-11-28 22:50 ` Eran Tromer
2006-11-27 22:21 ` Gunter Ohrner
2006-11-24 0:48 ` Theodore Tso
2006-11-24 1:01 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2006-11-23 20:54 ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-11-23 21:34 ` Gunter Ohrner
2006-11-23 21:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-23 21:43 ` Gunter Ohrner
2006-11-26 1:26 ` Folkert van Heusden
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