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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	torvalds@osdl.org, akpm@osdl.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] WorkStruct: Implement generic UP cmpxchg() where an arch doesn't support it
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 12:18:52 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4578BD7C.4050703@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061207150303.GB1255@flint.arm.linux.org.uk>

Russell King wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 08:31:08PM +1100, Nick Piggin wrote:

>>>Implementing ll/sc based accessor macros allows both ll/sc _and_ cmpxchg
>>>architectures to produce optimal code.
>>>
>>>Implementing an cmpxchg based accessor macro allows cmpxchg architectures
>>>to produce optimal code and ll/sc non-optimal code.
>>>
>>>See my point?
>>
>>Wrong. Your ll/sc implementation with cmpxchg is buggy. The cmpxchg
>>load_locked is not locked at all,
> 
> 
> Intentional - cmpxchg architectures don't generally have a load locked.

Exactly, so it is wrong -- you can't implement that behaviour with
load + cmpxchg.

>>and there can be interleaving writes
>>between the load and cmpxchg which do not cause the store_conditional
>>to fail.
> 
> 
> In which case the cmpxchg fails and we do the atomic operation again,
> in exactly the same way that we do the operation again if the 'sc'
> fails in the ll/sc case.

Not if cmpxchg sees the same value, it won't fail, regardless of how
many writes have hit that memory address.

> I do not see any problem.

This was not the big problem -- as I said, if this was the only problem
we could opt for a "watered down" version that doesn't actually load
locked [the ll/sc interface would be much cooler than cmpxchg, IMO :)]

The main problem is the restrictions between the ll and sc. This is why
I implemented atomic_cmpxchg rather than atomic_ll/sc. However I agree
that in critical code, a higher level API should be used instead (eg.
see atomic_add_unless, which can be implemented optimally on RISCs).

Nick

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  reply	other threads:[~2006-12-08  1:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-06 16:43 [PATCH] WorkStruct: Implement generic UP cmpxchg() where an arch doesn't support it David Howells
2006-12-06 17:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-06 18:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-06 19:00   ` Russell King
2006-12-06 19:16     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-06 19:28       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-06 19:58       ` Russell King
2006-12-06 21:36         ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 21:52           ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-06 22:05             ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 22:15               ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-07  0:37               ` Roman Zippel
2006-12-07  0:54                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-07  1:05                   ` Roman Zippel
2006-12-07  1:18                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-07  1:24                       ` Roman Zippel
2006-12-07  1:36                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-07  1:44                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-07  2:09                             ` Douglas McNaught
2006-12-07  1:52                           ` Roman Zippel
2006-12-07  9:23                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-06 22:38             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-07  9:31         ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-07 13:20           ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2006-12-07 15:03           ` Russell King
2006-12-08  1:18             ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2006-12-08  8:56               ` Russell King
2006-12-08 16:06                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-08 16:31                   ` Russell King
2006-12-08 16:43                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-08 16:47                       ` Russell King
2006-12-08 16:53                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-08 16:58                           ` Russell King
2006-12-08 16:56                   ` David Howells
2006-12-08 17:06                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-08 17:18                       ` Russell King
2006-12-08 17:23                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-08 19:15                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-08 19:31                             ` Russell King
2006-12-08 19:37                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-08 19:43                                 ` Russell King
2006-12-08 20:01                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-08 18:46                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-08 19:04                       ` Russell King
2006-12-08 19:35                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-08 19:59                           ` Russell King
2006-12-08 20:34                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-11 11:04                         ` David Howells
2006-12-08 22:33                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-07 15:36           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-07 16:51           ` Ralf Baechle
2006-12-07  0:46       ` Ralf Baechle
2006-12-06 19:05   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-06 19:08     ` Al Viro
2006-12-06 19:25       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-06 19:29         ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 19:43           ` David Howells
2006-12-06 19:54           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-06 19:56             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-07  1:09       ` David Miller
2006-12-06 19:26     ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 19:29       ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-06 19:36         ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 19:47           ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-06 19:50             ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 20:11               ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-06 20:17                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 19:34       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-06 19:41         ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 19:45         ` David Howells
2006-12-06 20:00     ` Russell King
2006-12-07 15:06     ` Russell King
2006-12-08 15:32       ` Russell King
2006-12-06 19:12 ` Lennert Buytenhek
2006-12-06 19:47   ` David Howells
2006-12-06 20:09     ` Lennert Buytenhek

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