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From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch] change WARN_ON back to "BUG: at ..."
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:49:01 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <458AD71D.2060508@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061221124327.GA17190@elte.hu>

Ingo Molnar wrote:
> Subject: [patch] change WARN_ON back to "BUG: at ..."
> From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
>
> WARN_ON() ever triggering is a kernel bug. Do not try to paper over this 
> fact by suggesting to the user that this is 'only' a warning, as the 
> following recent commit does:
>   
I disagree.

I think there are two issues here: intent and effect.

What's the intent of WARN_ON?  Presumably its different from BUG_ON,
otherwise you could just use BUG_ON.  Or if not, why not just have
BUG_ON?  I think in practice many WARN_ONs are clearly not intended to
be as serious as BUG_ON: they warn about unimplemented things, transient
hiccups, clarifications of errno returns, etc.  (Whether WARN_ON is a
good mechanism for all these things is a separate issue.)

Their effects are very different too.  The effect of WARN_ON is simply a
message; if I see it in a log, I know that something happened which
should be fixed, but the system is in a fairly sane state.  If I see a
BUG_ON, then I know something was killed with extreme prejudice - at
best a process got killed, but there may be stray locks held or other
damage - and the system is basically teetering if it hasn't crashed
already.  Because the effects of the two warning mechanisms are so
different, I think its important to make them clearly visually distinct
when scanning the kernel output.  My eye is trained to see "BUG: " as
meaning "something destabilizing happened"; if warnings also appear that
way, then it is just needlessly confusing.

    J

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-12-21 18:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-21 12:43 [patch] change WARN_ON back to "BUG: at ..." Ingo Molnar
2006-12-21 13:00 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-21 18:49 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2006-12-21 23:57   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-12-22 20:04     ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-23  2:06       ` Steven Rostedt
2006-12-23 11:03         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-12-23 12:44           ` Steven Rostedt
2006-12-24 14:16       ` Pavel Machek
2006-12-28  9:15         ` Ingo Molnar

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