From: Michael Tokarev <mjt@tls.msk.ru>
To: davids@webmaster.com
Cc: "Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel. Org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: O_NONBLOCK setting "leak" outside of a process??
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 23:11:21 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <45C63DE9.7020800@tls.msk.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <MDEHLPKNGKAHNMBLJOLKEELOBFAC.davids@webmaster.com>
David Schwartz wrote:
[]
>> Currently changing O_NONBLOCK on stdin/out/err affects other,
>> possibly unrelated processes - they don't expect that *their*
>> reads/writes will start returning EAGAIN!
>
> Then they're broken. Sorry, that's just the way it is. Code should always
> correctly handle defined error codes. I agree that it's unexpected and
> unfortunate, but you have to code defensively.
>
> *Every* blocking fd operation should be followed by a check to see if the
> operation failed, succeeded, or partially succeeded. If it partially
> succeeded, it needs to be continued. If it failed, you need to check if the
> error is fatal or transient. If transient, you need to back off and retry.
> It has, sadly, always been this way. (Programs can get signals, debuggers
> can interrupt a system call, the unexpected happens.)
Well, that's partly nonsense. The only error condition which is always being
checked in correctly written software is EINTR - if you've got an interrupt,
continue/retry the I/O.
Checking and retrying for EAGAIN is umm.. plain wrong. You'll get a nice
busywait eating 100% CPU this way, till the I/O actually happens, and will
get another the next try.
Checking I/Os for every possible weird condition is just non-productive.
It's like this:
if (fcntl(fd, F_SETFL, ~O_NONBLOCK) < 0) error_out();
if (fcntl(fd, F_GETFL, 0) & O_NOBLOCK) ??? what to do?
while(do_something())
if (fcntl(fd, F_GETFL, 0) & O_NOBLOCK)
if (fcntl(fd, F_SETFL, ~O_NONBLOCK) < 0) error_out();
(don't pay attention to ~O_NONBLOCK thing - it's wrong, but it's
used like that just to show the "idea" - which is to clear O_NONBLOCK)
Which is a complete nonsense. It's either set or cleared, and once
set or cleared it should stay that way, period. Until the app changes
it again.
>> Worse, it cannot be worked around by dup() because duped fds
>> are still sharing O_NONBLOCK. How can I work around this?
>
> If this causes your code a problem, your code is broken. What does your code
With dup() - maybe. But definitely NOT with fork().
> currently do if it gets a non-fatal error from a blocking operation? If it
> does anything other than back off and retry, it's mishandling the condition.
Retrying I/O in case of EAGAIN is *wrong*. See above.
But sure, in case of dup() an app should be prepared to set up all the flags
properly.
/mjt
> I agree that the world might have been a better place had this been thought
> about from the beginning.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-02-04 20:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-01-27 20:52 O_NONBLOCK setting "leak" outside of a process?? Denis Vlasenko
2007-01-30 3:40 ` Philippe Troin
2007-02-01 23:00 ` Denis Vlasenko
2007-02-01 23:15 ` Philippe Troin
2007-02-02 12:10 ` Roland Kuhn
2007-02-02 13:48 ` Guillaume Chazarain
2007-02-02 15:04 ` Roland Kuhn
2007-02-02 18:59 ` Philippe Troin
2007-02-05 10:49 ` bert hubert
2007-02-04 0:55 ` David Schwartz
2007-02-04 1:22 ` Denis Vlasenko
2007-02-04 7:56 ` David Schwartz
2007-02-04 20:11 ` Michael Tokarev [this message]
2007-02-04 21:08 ` David Schwartz
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