From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
To: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
Cc: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Randy Dunlap <randy.dunlap@oracle.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] MTD: fix DOC2000/2001/2001PLUS build error
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:04:31 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <45C8A70F.9090507@tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070206060937.GM16722@waste.org>
Matt Mackall wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 08:09:58PM -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:
>> On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 11:21:34PM +0000, David Woodhouse wrote:
>>> But Alan makes a reasonable suggestion -- we could work around this in
>>> the tools too.
>> I wouldn't call it "work around this" in the tools. It's a useful
>> feature we can add in the tools for developers who aren't men enough
>> to use "sed/grep" pipelines. :-)
>>
>> But I have to agree with Linus here that we should be optimizing the
>> tools for people who know how to compile the kernel, but who aren't
>> necessarily familiar with all of the hidden dependencies in the
>> literally hundreds of config options in the kernel tree. In reality,
>> you want to make it easy to turn on *or* off any arbitrary config
>> option, and to understand what you need to do so you can turn an
>> arbitrary config option on or off. If that means tools enhancements,
>> so be it.
>
> With apt (or presumably with yum), you can happily apt-remove
> a package that nothing else depends on. If you remove something that
> other things depend on, you get a list of those things and opportunity
> to force it (with a -f flag, for instance). If you ask for a package
> that has other dependencies, it automatically pulls all those things
> in unless there's a conflict. In which case you can force it again.
>
> There's no reason we shouldn't be able to do exactly that with config
> symbols in Kconfig-land. The only difference is that we've got
> slightly different semantics for our "depend" keyword. Things which
> don't have their "depend" requirements met aren't offered as options.
> Whereas "select" is "automatically pull in dependencies"
> apt/yum-style.
Perhaps this is because there is a lacking keyword. The depends controls
visibility, perhaps a "requires" could be used to provide advisory
information which mean "these other things will be turned on if you
build this feature."
>
> While we're at it, it would also be nice to be able to do:
>
> $ kconfig enable ACPI
> CONFIG_ACPI conflicts with CONFIG_APM
> $ kconfig enable -F ACPI
> disabling CONFIG_APM
> $ kconfig disable SCSI
> CONFIG_USB_STORAGE depends on CONFIG_SCSI
> $ kconfig disable -f SCSI
> disabling USB_STORAGE
> $ make
>
I think depends and select provide this now, the postulated "requires"
might make building the trees easier.
--
Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
"We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-02-06 16:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-02-04 19:10 Super Kernel Sunday! Linus Torvalds
2007-02-04 19:40 ` Bauke Jan Douma
2007-02-04 21:00 ` Gene Heskett
2007-02-04 21:11 ` Kevin K
2007-02-04 19:56 ` Alessandro Suardi
2007-02-05 8:39 ` Jonathan Sambrook
2007-02-05 8:45 ` [patch] MTD: fix DOC2000/2001/2001PLUS build error Ingo Molnar
2007-02-05 13:06 ` Josh Boyer
2007-02-05 13:34 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-05 15:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-05 16:08 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-02-05 16:12 ` Russell King
2007-02-05 16:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-05 16:22 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-05 16:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-05 16:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-05 16:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 17:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-05 17:08 ` Russell King
2007-02-05 21:15 ` Ingo Oeser
2007-02-06 13:32 ` Gerhard Mack
2007-02-05 21:17 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-05 21:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 21:39 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-05 21:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 21:53 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-05 22:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 22:31 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-02-05 23:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 23:21 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-05 23:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 0:04 ` Mark Rustad
2007-02-06 15:55 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-02-06 16:20 ` Mark Rustad
2007-02-06 9:45 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-06 15:51 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-02-06 16:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 22:38 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-06 22:39 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-02-06 23:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 23:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 23:18 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-06 23:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 22:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 23:11 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-06 23:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 23:36 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-06 23:41 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-02-06 23:49 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-06 23:52 ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-02-06 23:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-07 0:03 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-07 0:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-07 0:30 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-02-07 0:37 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-07 2:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-07 13:51 ` Sunil Naidu
2007-02-06 1:09 ` Theodore Tso
2007-02-06 6:09 ` Matt Mackall
2007-02-06 16:04 ` Bill Davidsen [this message]
2007-02-06 16:41 ` Matt Mackall
2007-02-06 18:03 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-02-06 0:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-02-06 13:52 ` Jörn Engel
2007-02-06 15:16 ` Mark Lord
2007-02-08 8:18 ` David Lang
2007-02-08 9:44 ` Jörn Engel
2007-02-06 15:41 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-02-05 22:21 ` Alan
2007-02-05 22:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 21:50 ` Alan
2007-02-05 21:41 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-06 5:46 ` Matt Mackall
2007-02-06 15:34 ` Paul Mundt
2007-02-06 22:39 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2007-02-06 22:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 16:33 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-05 16:46 ` Russell King
2007-02-05 16:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-05 17:04 ` Russell King
2007-02-05 16:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 16:50 ` Russell King
2007-02-05 16:52 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-05 17:58 ` Super Kernel Sunday! Jan Engelhardt
2007-02-05 18:07 ` Kevin Fox
2007-02-06 19:02 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-02-05 21:27 ` [2.6.20] Regression in dmfe driver Thomas Bächler
2007-02-06 9:38 ` Thierry Vignaud
2007-02-06 22:40 ` Thomas Bächler
2007-02-27 13:58 ` [PATA] Failed to set xfermode on LITE-ON LTR-48246S Philipp Matthias Hahn
2007-03-05 4:10 ` Tejun Heo
2007-03-05 10:38 ` Philipp Matthias Hahn
2007-03-05 15:46 ` Tejun Heo
2007-03-06 9:23 ` Philipp Matthias Hahn
2007-03-09 12:50 ` Tejun Heo
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