From: Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>
To: nigel@nigel.suspend2.net
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
Tilman Schmidt <tilman@imap.cc>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: NAK new drivers without proper power management?
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:55:18 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <45D1DF66.6030906@rtr.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1171233683.4493.81.camel@nigel.suspend2.net>
Nigel Cunningham wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 01:27 +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>> Plus:
>> - What if I'm planning to implement the power managemet, but not just right
>> now?
>
> Why not right now?
LKML is much more receptive to drivers that follow
the "release early, release often" mantra.
Which means we really have to be more accomodating of
drivers that start out simple, and then gain all of the
non-essential capabilities gradually over time.
Simple observation here shows much more hostility :)
to drivers that are simply "presented" as a complete whole.
Often for good reason -- starting out with a framework
and then adding the rest bit by bit allows for much better
peer review and feedback.
And not all devices / situations need power management,
and lack of documentation on the hardware often prevents
us from implementing it at the outset.
Cheers
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-02-13 15:55 UTC|newest]
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2007-02-09 21:57 NAK new drivers without proper power management? Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-09 22:17 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-02-09 22:26 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-09 22:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-09 22:51 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-09 23:12 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-09 23:28 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10 0:12 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-10 0:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-02-10 6:43 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-10 23:52 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-02-10 7:15 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-02-10 19:38 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-10 22:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-10 22:37 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10 23:45 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-02-11 0:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 22:41 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-13 15:55 ` Mark Lord [this message]
2007-02-13 16:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-02-11 22:37 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12 0:10 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-02-12 0:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 4:08 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12 20:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 22:38 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-03-03 22:48 ` Suspend/resume semantics for ISDN drivers (was: NAK new drivers without proper power management?) Tilman Schmidt
2007-03-04 19:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-03-08 23:35 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-11 6:46 ` NAK new drivers without proper power management? Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 13:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 22:47 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 22:57 ` Manu Abraham
2007-02-11 23:20 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:25 ` Manu Abraham
2007-02-11 23:29 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-11 23:33 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12 16:52 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-12 20:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 20:58 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-12 21:01 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 21:24 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12 21:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-13 9:42 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-02-13 19:24 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-14 23:45 ` Stefan Richter
2007-02-12 9:45 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-02-12 12:59 ` Gerhard Mack
2007-02-12 20:20 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-13 15:23 ` Brad Campbell
2007-02-12 20:46 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 13:51 ` Tino Keitel
2007-02-11 19:42 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-11 21:02 ` Alan
2007-02-11 23:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 0:28 ` Alan
2007-02-12 0:24 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:10 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:16 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:22 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:23 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-11 23:21 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-11 23:29 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 22:21 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-02-12 8:49 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-02-12 15:04 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-12 15:57 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-02-12 16:55 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-12 20:38 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-13 10:02 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-02-10 3:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-02-10 4:42 ` Nigel Cunningham
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2007-02-10 1:50 ` Robert Hancock
2007-02-10 1:59 ` Lee Revell
2007-02-10 2:09 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10 2:22 ` Lee Revell
2007-02-10 3:21 ` Kevin Fox
2007-02-10 20:40 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-02-10 4:35 ` Joseph Fannin
2007-02-13 21:08 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-10 12:47 ` Stefan Richter
2007-02-10 2:05 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10 3:27 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-02-10 4:18 ` Nigel Cunningham
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2007-02-10 23:20 ` Robert Hancock
2007-02-11 0:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 17:01 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-11 22:40 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:29 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:40 ` Nigel Cunningham
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2007-02-11 18:31 ` Robert Hancock
2007-02-11 21:52 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 22:26 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 22:46 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 23:18 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:38 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 23:45 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12 0:26 ` Alan
2007-02-12 5:19 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-12 20:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 22:36 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:23 ` Alan
2007-02-11 23:38 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:47 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:50 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:55 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12 0:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 0:15 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12 12:19 ` Pavel Machek
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2007-02-12 0:59 ` Robert Hancock
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