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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Christoph Lameter <clameter@engr.sgi.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@skynet.ie>,
	mingo@elte.hu, jschopp@austin.ibm.com, arjan@infradead.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, mbligh@mbligh.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: The performance and behaviour of the anti-fragmentation related patches
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 20:58:21 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45EA27BD.7080909@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070303175158.00d867cb.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 20:26:15 -0500 Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com> wrote:
>> Nick Piggin wrote:
>>
>>> Different issue, isn't it? Rik wants to be smarter in figuring out which
>>> pages to throw away. More work per page == worse for you.
>> Being smarter about figuring out which pages to evict does
>> not equate to spending more work.  One big component is
>> sorting the pages beforehand, so we do not end up scanning
>> through (and randomizing the LRU order of) anonymous pages
>> when we do not want to, or cannot, evict them anyway.
>>
> 
> My gut feel is that we could afford to expend a lot more cycles-per-page
> doing stuff to avoid IO than we presently do.

In general, yes.

In the specific "128GB RAM, 90GB anon/shm/... and 2GB swap" case, no :)

> At least, reclaim normally just doesn't figure in system CPU time, except
> for when it's gone completely stupid.
> 
> It could well be that we sleep too much in there though.

It's all about minimizing IO, I suspect.

Not just the total amount of IO though, also the amount of
pageout IO that's in flight at once, so we do not introduce
stupidly high latencies.

-- 
Politics is the struggle between those who want to make their country
the best in the world, and those who believe it already is.  Each group
calls the other unpatriotic.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-04  1:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-01 10:12 The performance and behaviour of the anti-fragmentation related patches Mel Gorman
2007-03-02  1:52 ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-02 10:38   ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 16:31     ` Joel Schopp
2007-03-02 21:37       ` Bill Irwin
     [not found] ` <20070301160915.6da876c5.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
2007-03-02  1:39   ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-02  2:34   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-03-02  3:05   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  3:57     ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  4:06       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  4:21         ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  4:31           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  5:06             ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  5:40               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  5:49                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  5:53                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  6:08                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  6:19                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  6:29                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  6:51                           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  7:03                             ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02  7:19                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  7:44                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  8:12                                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  8:21                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  8:38                                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 17:09                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-04  1:26                                   ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-04  1:51                                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-04  1:58                                       ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2007-03-02  5:50               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  4:29         ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02  4:33           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  4:58             ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02  4:20       ` Paul Mundt
2007-03-02 13:50   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-03-02 15:29   ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 16:58     ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 17:09       ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 17:23       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 17:35         ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 17:43           ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 18:06             ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 18:15               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 18:23                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 18:23                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 19:31                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 19:40                     ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 21:12                   ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-02 21:19                     ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 21:52                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 22:03                         ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 22:22                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 22:34                             ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 22:51                               ` Martin Bligh
2007-03-02 22:54                                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 23:28                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-03-03  0:24                                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 22:52                               ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-03-02 22:59                               ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 23:20                                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-03  1:40                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-03  1:58                                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-03  3:55                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-02 23:16                             ` [PATCH] : Optimizes timespec_trunc() Eric Dumazet
2007-03-03  0:33                             ` The performance and behaviour of the anti-fragmentation related patches William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-03  0:54                               ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-03  3:15                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-03  4:19                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-03 17:16                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-03-03 17:50                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 20:59               ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-02 16:32   ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 17:19     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 17:28       ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 17:48         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 17:59           ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-03  4:54     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]   ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703011642190.12485@woody.linux-foundation.org>
2007-03-02  1:52     ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-02  3:44       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02  3:59         ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02  5:11           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02  5:50             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-03-02  6:15               ` Paul Mundt
2007-03-02 17:01                 ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 16:20             ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 17:07               ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 17:35                 ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 18:02                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 19:02                     ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 17:16               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02 18:45                 ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 19:03                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02 23:58                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-03-02  4:18         ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-02  5:13         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-06  4:16         ` Paul Mackerras
2007-03-02 16:58     ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 17:05     ` Joel Schopp
2007-03-05  3:21       ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-05 15:20         ` Joel Schopp
2007-03-05 16:01           ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-05 16:45             ` Joel Schopp
2007-05-03  8:49           ` Andy Whitcroft

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