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From: Alexey Starikovskiy <alexey.y.starikovskiy@linux.intel.com>
To: Jean Delvare <khali@linux-fr.org>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	"Moore, Robert" <robert.moore@intel.com>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	Chuck Ebbert <cebbert@redhat.com>,
	Rudolf Marek <r.marek@assembler.cz>,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	lm-sensors@lm-sensors.org
Subject: Re: [lm-sensors] Could the k8temp driver be interfering with ACPI?
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 20:35:09 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45F19ACD.6030906@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070309182355.d1845962.khali@linux-fr.org>

Jean Delvare wrote:
> Hi Alexey,
>
> On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 13:39:33 +0300, Alexey Starikovskiy wrote:
>   
>> Jean Delvare wrote:
>>     
>>> I can only second Pavel's wish here. This would be highly convenient
>>> for OS developers to at least know which resources are accessed by AML
>>> and SMM. Without this information, we can never be sure that OS-level
>>> code won't conflict with ACPI or SMM.
>>>       
>> BIOS vendors are not required to support latest and greatest ACPI spec. 
>> So even if some future spec version
>> will include this ports description, we will still have majority of 
>> hardware not exporting it...
>>     
>
> Your reasoning is amazing. So we should refrain from proposing any
> improvement which we aren't certain 100% of the systems will support
> tomorrow? Then let's all stay away from our keyboards forever, as the
> evolution of computer technology is based on exactly that -
> improvements which not all systems implement.
>
> It's friday evening, let's have some more for fun. With a similar
> logic, ten years ago we'd have come up with the following conclusions:
>
> The majority of computers have a single CPU, there is no point in
> adding SMP support to Linux.
>
> Let's not add a new instruction set in our next CPU family. The
> majority of systems will not implement it so it will be useless anyway.
>
> There's no point in supporting PnP in Linux, there are a majority of
> legacy ISA cards out there which do not support it anyway!
>
> See my point? Just because not every hardware out there supports a
> given standard doesn't make that standard necessarily useless.
>
> Just make the next version of ACPI better than the previous one (not
> necessarily a challenge) and everyone will embrace it.
>
>   
You get me wrong, I'm not against the proposal, so keep your breath.
I'm just saying that you get old waiting for BIOS vendors to export this 
info, even if it's in spec.

Regards,
Alex.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-09 17:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-16 17:31 Could the k8temp driver be interfering with ACPI? Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-16 17:57 ` Len Brown
2007-02-16 18:14   ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-16 19:59 ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-16 19:31   ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-18 17:32     ` [lm-sensors] " Jean Delvare
2007-02-18 23:22       ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-17 10:49 ` Rudolf Marek
2007-02-17 18:14   ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-18 17:38     ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-20 15:18       ` Matthew Garrett
2007-02-20 15:33         ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-02-21 14:59           ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 15:07         ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-28 21:38       ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-01 14:26         ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-01 17:48           ` Dave Jones
2007-03-02 11:27             ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 11:31               ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 13:37                 ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 13:47                   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-03-02 13:57                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-03  6:44                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 11:40           ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 11:47             ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-02 13:58               ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 21:00                 ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 21:22                   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-04-01 15:39                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-02 15:48                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-02 19:22                       ` Dave Jones
2007-04-03  5:49                         ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-02 20:55                       ` Moore, Robert
2007-04-03  7:21                         ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-04 21:35                           ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-02 14:10               ` [lm-sensors] " Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 14:18                 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-02 21:04                   ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 21:12                     ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-03  9:53                       ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-03 15:47                         ` David Hubbard
2007-03-03 15:50                           ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-03 17:08                             ` Rudolf Marek
2007-03-04 17:29                               ` Rudolf Marek
2007-03-05 21:16                                 ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-05 21:35                                   ` David Hubbard
2007-03-06 15:10                                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-04 10:54                           ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-05 22:25                         ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-06  7:55                           ` Benny Amorsen
2007-03-06 15:26                           ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-06 20:07                             ` Stefan Monnier
2007-03-06 21:20                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-06 21:25                               ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-18 19:36                         ` richardvoigt
2007-03-19  7:08                           ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 22:07                     ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-09  7:18                       ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-09 10:24                         ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-09 10:39                           ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2007-03-09 11:21                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-09 17:23                             ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-09 17:35                               ` Alexey Starikovskiy [this message]
2007-03-09 21:03                                 ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-09 20:56                         ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-02 14:22                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 14:03             ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 14:24               ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 14:57               ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-02 21:41                 ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 21:46                   ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-06 21:28                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-13 18:18               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-13 20:07                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-13 20:59                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-15  9:41                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-15 20:31                       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-15 20:59                         ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-16  0:57                           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-16 21:14                             ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-16 22:28                               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-17 23:50                                 ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-22 16:55                                   ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-17 10:03                               ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-18 22:43     ` Rudolf Marek
2007-02-20 15:08       ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-20 19:11         ` Dave Jones
2007-02-21 16:17           ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 17:37             ` Dave Jones
2007-02-21 20:19               ` Dave Jones
2007-02-22 16:37                 ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-23  7:13                   ` Hans de Goede
2007-02-23  7:47                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 14:54         ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 16:03           ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-21 16:22             ` Jean Delvare
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2007-03-05 13:56                     ` Bodo Eggert
2007-03-06 15:19                       ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-06 20:40                         ` Bodo Eggert
2007-03-07  9:17                           ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-07  9:36                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-07 17:09                             ` Bodo Eggert

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