From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S965373AbXDBKVq (ORCPT ); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 06:21:46 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S965378AbXDBKVq (ORCPT ); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 06:21:46 -0400 Received: from mail.nagafix.co.uk ([194.145.196.85]:53302 "EHLO mail.nagafix.co.uk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S965373AbXDBKVp (ORCPT ); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 06:21:45 -0400 Message-ID: <4610D937.20002@nagafix.co.uk> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 11:21:43 +0100 From: Antoine Martin User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070304) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Dike CC: Blaisorblade , devzero@web.de, user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel & rootfs bundle with every kernel release ? References: <1712880100@web.de> <200704012108.14597.blaisorblade@yahoo.it> <46100EF5.7040802@nagafix.co.uk> <20070402020530.GA589@c2.user-mode-linux.org> In-Reply-To: <20070402020530.GA589@c2.user-mode-linux.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Jeff Dike wrote: > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:58:45PM +0100, Antoine Martin wrote: >> I reckon that one critical thing which could drastically increase the >> user base would be to have a working virtual framebuffer implementation. > > Why? I've never understood what a framebuffer gives you that you > don't have now. Just like the network auto-configuration via dhcp, it would allow users to download images+kernel and run them like appliances without understanding anything about X or UML, just click and run. We are all capable of setting up Xvfb here, but most users are not, which is why they download ready-made images. It would also make it a lot easier to focus on writing a management UI, hell if there isn't one shortly after, I'll do one myself! Think of a UML browser image (running IE via wine in a limited image with just X + wine + IE - I would much prefer that to having wine+IE installed locally), testing framebuffer apps like gtk-fb/cairo-fb without risking your dev environment, etc... Antoine