From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: David Lang <david.lang@digitalinsight.com>
Cc: "Neil Brown" <neilb@suse.de>, "Theodore Tso" <tytso@mit.edu>,
"Jörn Engel" <joern@lazybastard.org>,
"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
"Ulrich Drepper" <drepper@gmail.com>,
"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: If not readdir() then what?
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:23:21 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <461D6DE9.9070601@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0704111506040.28394@qynat.qvtvafvgr.pbz>
David Lang wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2007, Neil Brown wrote:
>
>> For the second.
>> You say that you " would need at least 96 bits in order to make that
>> guarantee; 64 bits of hash, plus a 32-bit count value in the hash
>> collision chain". I think 96 is a bit greedy. Surely 48 bits of
>> hash and 16 bits of collision-chain-position would plenty. You would
>> need 65537 entries before a collision was even possible, and
>> billions before it was at all likely. (How big does a set of 48bit
>> numbers have to get before the probability that "No subset of 65536
>> numbers are all the same" drops below 0.95?)
>
> Neil,
> you can get a hash collision with two entries.
>
Yes, but the probability is 2^-n for an n-bit hash, assuming it's
uniformly distributed.
The probability approaches 1/2 as the number of entries hashes
approaches 2^(n/2) (birthday number.)
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-04-11 23:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-04-07 16:57 If not readdir() then what? Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-07 20:36 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-07 23:30 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-08 18:11 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-08 18:41 ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-08 19:19 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-08 19:26 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-08 19:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-08 19:40 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-09 1:44 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-09 11:09 ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-09 12:29 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-04-09 12:31 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-04-09 13:19 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-09 14:03 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-04-09 16:34 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-09 17:00 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-04-10 13:56 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-10 14:10 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-10 15:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-10 16:42 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-10 14:37 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-04-10 15:54 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-10 16:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-10 16:25 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-04-10 21:12 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-10 21:16 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-10 21:43 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-10 21:18 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-04-10 21:37 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-10 21:57 ` Bob Copeland
2007-04-10 21:59 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-04-10 22:33 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-11 0:22 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-04-11 1:45 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2007-04-10 21:46 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-10 21:26 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-09 12:46 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-04-10 21:15 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-11 13:57 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-11 14:42 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-11 22:32 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-11 22:06 ` David Lang
2007-04-11 23:23 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2007-04-11 23:33 ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-12 0:00 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-11 23:22 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-12 1:46 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-12 2:37 ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-12 5:57 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-12 9:33 ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-12 12:21 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-12 17:18 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-04-12 17:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-16 3:05 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-16 5:47 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-16 10:39 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-16 6:18 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-16 11:07 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-16 23:24 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-08 18:47 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-08 19:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-08 18:50 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-07 23:44 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-08 20:36 ` J. Bruce Fields
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