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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/13] maps: pagemap, kpagemap, and related cleanups
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:11:53 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <461EE6E9.3070104@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070413013840.GK11115@waste.org>

Matt Mackall wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 11:01:41AM +1000, Nick Piggin wrote:
> 
>>>Basically: to show what the hell's going on in the VM.
>>
>>kprobes / systemtap isn't good enough?
> 
> 
> It's not really a good match to the kprobes model. I'm not interested
> in events, per se. I don't want to need to know about every single
> alloc/free of N different varieties integrated from boot onward to
> build up an image of the state of the system. Instead, I want to take
> snapshots of the state of the VM.

Systemtap can't output a large set of values?

Why can't you attach a kprobe to a dummy syscall, and from there
iterate over pgdat/zone/memmap and output what you want?

Actually I'm surprised that kind of data querying facility isn't
already in there (I haven't used it seriously though).


> The main goal here is to be able to answer the question "where's my
> memory going?". Currently you can't really give a good answer to that
> question from userspace because of shared mappings, etc.
> 
> There are lots of secondary questions that follow on very quickly from
> that, like "what parts of my shared mappings are or aren't shared, and
> why?", "what's actually in my application's working set?" and "how much
> of this crap can I ditch?".

I understand roughly what you want, and that you can't easily get
it from /proc currently. My question at this point is just why can
we not use systemtap.

-- 
SUSE Labs, Novell Inc.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-13  2:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-04  2:43 [PATCH 0/13] maps: pagemap, kpagemap, and related cleanups Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 1/13] maps: Uninline some functions in the page walker Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 2/13] maps: Eliminate the pmd_walker struct " Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 3/13] maps: Remove vma from args " Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 4/13] maps: Propagate errors from callback in " Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 5/13] maps: Add callbacks for each level to " Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 6/13] maps: Move the page walker code to lib/ Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  3:51   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  5:08     ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  5:50       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 21:48         ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-05  1:32           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-05  1:50             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 7/13] maps: Simplify interdependence of /proc/pid/maps and smaps Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 8/13] maps: Move clear_refs code to task_mmu.c Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 9/13] maps: Regroup task_mmu by interface Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 10/13] maps: Make /proc/pid/smaps optional under CONFIG_EMBEDDED Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 11/13] maps: Make /proc/pid/clear_refs option " Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  6:22   ` David Rientjes
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 12/13] maps: Add /proc/pid/pagemap interface Matt Mackall
2007-04-04 11:18   ` Nikita Danilov
2007-04-04 16:32     ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-04 18:03       ` Nikita Danilov
2007-04-04 21:59         ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 13/13] maps: Add /proc/kpagemap interface Matt Mackall
2007-04-12 23:10 ` [PATCH 0/13] maps: pagemap, kpagemap, and related cleanups William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-12 23:32   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-12 23:42     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-13  0:25       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  0:15     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  0:25       ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-13  1:01         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  1:38           ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-13  2:11             ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2007-04-13  0:42       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-13  1:14         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  1:22           ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-13  1:42             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  1:57               ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-13  2:21                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  2:23                   ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-13  2:54                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13 12:24                       ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2007-04-14  8:13                     ` Maneesh Soni
2007-04-13  1:57               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-13  2:05                 ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-13  2:29                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  2:18                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  2:32                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-13  2:50                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  3:10                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  6:53                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-13  7:05                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  7:51                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-13  8:03                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  8:13                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-13  8:25                                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  9:46                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-13 21:17                                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-04-16 10:59                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-16 21:36                                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-16 21:01                                   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-04-13  8:15                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-13 12:13                       ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2007-04-13 12:46                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  3:40                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  6:55                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-13  7:03                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  7:08                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-13 14:08                       ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-16 11:00                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-13 17:13                   ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-13 16:24         ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-13 17:03           ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-13 17:24             ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-13 17:58               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-13  0:15     ` Matt Mackall

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