From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@pps.jussieu.fr>,
Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>, ck list <ck@vds.kolivas.org>,
Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>, Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>,
William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
Peter Williams <pwil3058@bigpond.net.au>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
caglar@pardus.org.tr, Gene Heskett <gene.heskett@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [REPORT] cfs-v4 vs sd-0.44
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:48:50 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <462D37D2.3060208@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.98.0704231227300.9964@woody.linux-foundation.org>
Linus Torvalds wrote:
> The "perfect" situation would be that when somebody goes to sleep, any
> extra points it had could be given to whoever it woke up last. Note that
> for something like X, it means that the points are 100% ephemeral: it gets
> points when a client sends it a request, but it would *lose* the points
> again when it sends the reply!
>
> So it would only accumulate "scheduling points" while multiuple clients
> are actively waiting for it, which actually sounds like exactly the right
> thing. However, I don't really see how to do it well, especially since the
> kernel cannot actually match up the client that gave some scheduling
> points to the reply that X sends back.
>
This works out in quite an interesting way. If the economy is closed -
all clients and servers are managed by the same scheduler - then the
server could get no inherent CPU priority and live entirely on donated
shares. If that were the case, you'd have to make sure that the server
used the donation from client A on client A's work, otherwise you'd get
freeloaders - but maybe it will all work out.
It gets more interesting when you have a non-closed system - the X
server is working on behalf of external clients over TCP. Presumably
wakeups from incoming TCP connections wouldn't have any scheduler shares
associated with it, so the X server would have to use its inherent CPU
allocation to service those requests. Or the external client could
effectively end up freeloading off portions of the local clients' donations.
J
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-04-23 22:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-04-20 14:04 [patch] CFS scheduler, v4 Ingo Molnar
2007-04-20 21:37 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-21 20:47 ` S.Çağlar Onur
2007-04-22 1:22 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-20 21:39 ` mdew .
2007-04-21 6:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-21 7:55 ` [patch] CFS scheduler, v4, for v2.6.20.7 Ingo Molnar
2007-04-21 12:12 ` [REPORT] cfs-v4 vs sd-0.44 Willy Tarreau
2007-04-21 12:40 ` Con Kolivas
2007-04-21 13:02 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-21 15:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-21 16:18 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-21 16:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-21 16:42 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-21 18:55 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-04-21 19:49 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-21 23:17 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-21 23:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-22 1:46 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-22 7:02 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-22 7:17 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-22 8:48 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-22 16:16 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-23 0:07 ` Rusty Russell
2007-04-21 16:53 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-21 16:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-21 16:57 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-21 18:09 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-21 17:03 ` Geert Bosch
2007-04-21 15:55 ` Con Kolivas
2007-04-21 16:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-21 16:12 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-21 16:39 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-21 17:15 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-21 19:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-22 13:18 ` Mark Lord
2007-04-22 13:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-22 13:30 ` Mark Lord
2007-04-25 8:16 ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-25 8:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-25 10:19 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-21 22:54 ` Denis Vlasenko
2007-04-22 0:08 ` Con Kolivas
2007-04-22 4:58 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-21 23:59 ` Con Kolivas
2007-04-22 13:04 ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2007-04-22 23:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-23 1:34 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-23 15:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-23 19:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 19:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-23 20:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 20:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 21:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 21:53 ` Guillaume Chazarain
2007-04-24 7:04 ` Rogan Dawes
2007-04-24 7:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-24 8:25 ` Rogan Dawes
2007-04-24 15:03 ` Chris Friesen
2007-04-24 15:07 ` Rogan Dawes
2007-04-24 15:15 ` Chris Friesen
2007-04-24 23:55 ` Peter Williams
2007-04-25 9:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 22:48 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2007-04-24 0:59 ` Li, Tong N
2007-04-24 1:57 ` Bill Huey
2007-04-24 18:01 ` Li, Tong N
2007-04-24 21:27 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-24 22:18 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2007-04-25 1:22 ` Li, Tong N
2007-04-25 6:05 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-25 9:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-25 11:58 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-25 20:13 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-26 17:57 ` Li, Tong N
2007-04-26 19:18 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-28 15:12 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2007-04-26 23:26 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-24 3:46 ` Peter Williams
2007-04-24 4:52 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-04-24 6:21 ` Peter Williams
2007-04-24 6:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-24 7:00 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-24 7:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-24 6:45 ` David Lang
2007-04-24 7:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-24 14:38 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-24 17:44 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-25 0:30 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-25 0:32 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-24 7:12 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-24 7:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-24 14:36 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-24 7:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-24 14:39 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-24 14:42 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-24 7:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-26 0:51 ` SD renice recommendation was: " Con Kolivas
2007-04-24 15:08 ` Ray Lee
2007-04-25 9:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 20:05 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-24 21:05 ` 'Scheduler Economy' prototype patch for CFS Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 2:42 ` [report] renicing X, cfs-v5 vs sd-0.46 Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 15:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-23 17:19 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-23 17:19 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-23 19:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 20:56 ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-04-22 13:23 ` [REPORT] cfs-v4 vs sd-0.44 Mark Lord
2007-04-21 18:17 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-22 1:26 ` Con Kolivas
2007-04-22 2:07 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-22 8:07 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-22 11:11 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-22 1:51 ` Con Kolivas
2007-04-21 20:35 ` [patch] CFS scheduler, v4 S.Çağlar Onur
2007-04-22 8:30 ` Michael Gerdau
2007-04-23 22:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 1:12 ` [patch] CFS scheduler, -v5 Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 1:25 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-23 2:39 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-23 3:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 2:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 3:22 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-23 3:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 4:06 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-23 7:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 7:25 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-23 7:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 9:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 3:19 ` [patch] CFS scheduler, -v5 (build problem - make headers_check fails) Zach Carter
2007-04-23 10:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 5:16 ` [patch] CFS scheduler, -v5 Markus Trippelsdorf
2007-04-23 5:27 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2007-04-23 6:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-25 11:43 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-25 12:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 12:20 ` Guillaume Chazarain
2007-04-23 12:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-24 16:54 ` Christian Hesse
2007-04-25 9:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-25 10:51 ` Christian Hesse
2007-04-25 10:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 9:28 ` crash with CFS v4 and qemu/kvm (was: [patch] CFS scheduler, v4) Christian Hesse
2007-04-23 10:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-24 10:54 ` Christian Hesse
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-04-22 4:38 [REPORT] cfs-v4 vs sd-0.44 Al Boldi
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