From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754929AbXDZTEE (ORCPT ); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:04:04 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754930AbXDZTEE (ORCPT ); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:04:04 -0400 Received: from mail.tmr.com ([64.65.253.246]:47955 "EHLO gaimboi.tmr.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754934AbXDZTEA (ORCPT ); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:04:00 -0400 Message-ID: <4630F7A6.3080609@tmr.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:04:06 -0400 From: Bill Davidsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.8) Gecko/20061105 SeaMonkey/1.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Mackall CC: Pavel Machek , Ingo Molnar , Linus Torvalds , Nigel Cunningham , Christian Hesse , Nick Piggin , Mike Galbraith , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Con Kolivas , suspend2-devel@lists.suspend2.net, Andrew Morton , Thomas Gleixner , Arjan van de Ven Subject: Re: suspend2 merge (was Re: [Suspend2-devel] Re: CFS and suspend2: hang in atomic copy) References: <200704182245.24156.mail@earthworm.de> <20070418211632.GA7610@elte.hu> <200704182357.28107.mail@earthworm.de> <20070418220228.GA14536@elte.hu> <1176947576.5906.21.camel@nigel.suspend2.net> <20070419070437.GA25211@elte.hu> <20070424202336.GC16503@elf.ucw.cz> <20070424205416.GA23032@elte.hu> <20070424212956.GE16457@elf.ucw.cz> <20070425214156.GI11166@waste.org> In-Reply-To: <20070425214156.GI11166@waste.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Matt Mackall wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 11:29:56PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote: >> We do not want to fragment the testing base, and suspend2 does not >> really have any interesting features over uswsusp. > > The testing base is already fragmented! > > What the current situation means is that you simply never hear from > the people who get fed up with suspend but who manage to get suspend2 > working. > I have to feel that having a *working resume* capability is "any interesting features" enough. What you say about "simply never hear from" is unfortunately true. On 04/25/2007 05:30 PM EDT, Pavel Machek wrote: >It is not Rafael's fault. Actually it is quite hard to work with >Nigel, because he implements every feature someone asks for, and wants >to merge them all :-( . I don't expect to ever agree with Nigel on >anything important, sorry. The fact that Pavel thinks giving the users what they want is a problem certainly defines the difference between them, the populist "give them what they want" and the elitist "let's them make do with what I think they should have." I do respect Pavel for all the stuff he has done and is doing, I wish I could have found a nicer way to say that. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot