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From: Davi Arnaut <davi@haxent.com.br>
To: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 14/22] pollfs: pollable futex
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 03:54:19 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4638359B.6050500@haxent.com.br> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46383218.4020406@cosmosbay.com>

Eric Dumazet wrote:
> Davi Arnaut a écrit :
>> Eric Dumazet wrote:
>>> Davi Arnaut a écrit :
>>>> Asynchronously wait for FUTEX_WAKE operation on a futex if it still contains
>>>> a given value. There can be only one futex wait per file descriptor. However,
>>>> it can be rearmed (possibly at a different address) anytime.
>>>>
>>>> The pollable futex approach is far superior (send and receive events from
>>>> userspace or kernel) to eventfd and fixes (supercedes) FUTEX_FD at the same time.
>>>>
>>>> Building block for pollable semaphores and user-defined events.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Davi E. M. Arnaut <davi@haxent.com.br>
>>>>

<snip>

>>>> +
>>>> +struct futex_event {
>>>> +	union {
>>>> +		void __user *addr;
>>>> +		u64 padding;
>>>> +	};
>>>> +	int val;
>>>> +};
>>> Hum... Here we might have a problem with 64 bit futexes, or private futexes
>>>
>>> So I believe this interface is not well defined and not expandable: in case of 
>>> future additions to futexes, an old application compiled with an old pollable 
>>> futex_event type might fail.
>>>
>> Hmm, how about:
>>
>> struct futex_event {
>> 	union {
>> 		void __user *addr;
>> 		u64 padding;
>> 	};
>> 	union {
>> 		int val;
>> 		s64 val64;
>> 	};
>> 	/* whatever room is necessary for future improvements */
>> };
>>
>> I haven't been keeping up with 64 bit or private futexes. What else
>> could probably go wrong?
> 
> Well, that's the point : This interface is like an ioctl() one : pretty bad if 
> not properly designed :)

I was merely mirroring the futex syscall arguments for FUTEX_WAIT. Will
those change? I hope not :)

> You probably need to stick one field containing one command or version number, 
> something like that.

I'm a bit skeptical that we need versioning for such a simple operation
(command) as FUTEX_WAIT that takes an address and a value.

> 
> 
> struct futex_event {
> 	int     type;
> 	union {
> 		void __user *addr;
> 		u64 padding;
> 	};
> 	union {
> 		int val;
> 		s64 val64;
> 	};
> };
> 
> #define  FUTEX_EVENT_SHARED32  1
> #define  FUTEX_EVENT_SHARED64  2
> #define  FUTEX_EVENT_PRIVATE32 (128|1)
> #define  FUTEX_EVENT_PRIVATE64 (128|2)

I will take a look at the private futexes patches before commenting further.

> ...
> 
> Also, you should take care of alignements constraints (a 32bit user program 
> might run on a 64bit kernel)
> 

Compat code? or futex alignements constraints?

--
Davi Arnaut


  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-02  6:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-02  5:22 [patch 00/22] pollfs: filesystem abstraction for pollable objects Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 01/22] pollfs: kernel-side API header Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 02/22] pollfs: file system operations Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 03/22] pollfs: asynchronously wait for a signal Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 04/22] pollfs: pollable signal Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 05/22] pollfs: pollable signal compat code Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 06/22] pollfs: export the plsignal system call Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 07/22] pollfs: x86, wire up " Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 08/22] pollfs: x86_64, " Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 09/22] pollfs: pollable hrtimers Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02 21:16   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-05-02 23:00     ` Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 10/22] pollfs: export the pltimer system call Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 11/22] pollfs: x86, wire up " Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 12/22] pollfs: x86_64, " Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 13/22] pollfs: asynchronous futex wait Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 14/22] pollfs: pollable futex Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:54   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-02  6:16     ` Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  6:39       ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-02  6:54         ` Davi Arnaut [this message]
2007-05-02  7:11         ` Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  7:40   ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-02  7:55     ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-02  8:08       ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-02  8:49         ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-02 16:39           ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-02 16:59             ` Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02 17:10               ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-02 17:29                 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-02 17:53                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-02 18:21                     ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-03 13:46                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-03 18:24                         ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-03 19:03                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-03 22:14                             ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-04 15:28                               ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-04 19:15                                 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-04 19:20                                   ` 2.6.20.4 / 2.6.21.1 AT91SAM9260-EK oops Ryan Ordway
2007-05-04 23:38                                   ` [patch 14/22] pollfs: pollable futex Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-05 18:54                                     ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-06  7:50                                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-06 19:47                                         ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-06 19:54                                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-06 20:18                                           ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-06 21:57                                           ` Davi Arnaut
2007-05-07  5:33                                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-07  5:46                                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-02 17:37                 ` Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02 17:49                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-02 18:05                     ` Davi Arnaut
2007-05-03 13:40                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-02 12:20     ` Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02 12:39     ` Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02 16:46       ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-02 17:05         ` Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 15/22] pollfs: export the plfutex system call Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 16/22] pollfs: x86, wire up " Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 17/22] pollfs: x86_64, " Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 18/22] pollfs: check if a AIO event ring is empty Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 19/22] pollfs: pollable aio Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 20/22] pollfs: export the plaio system call Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 21/22] pollfs: x86, wire up " Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 22/22] pollfs: x86_64, " Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  6:05 ` [patch 00/22] pollfs: filesystem abstraction for pollable objects Andrew Morton
2007-05-02 17:28   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-02 17:47     ` Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02 18:23       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-02 18:50         ` Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02 19:42           ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-02 20:11             ` Davi Arnaut

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