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From: Ting Yang <tingy@cs.umass.edu>
To: "Li, Tong N" <tong.n.li@intel.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
Subject: Re: [patch] CFS scheduler, -v8
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 23:07:58 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4639520E.8020807@cs.umass.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1178131340.25170.24.camel@tongli.jf.intel.com>



Li, Tong N wrote:
> Thanks for the excellent explanation. I think EEVDF and many algs alike
> assume global ordering of all tasks in the system (based on virtual
> time), whereas CFS does so locally on each processor and relies on load
> balancing to achieve fairness across processors. It'd achieve strong
> fairness locally, but I'm not sure about its global fairness properties
> in an MP environment. If ideally the total load weight on each processor
> is always the same, then local fairness would imply global fairness, but
> this is a bin packing problem and is intractable ...
First, I am not assuming a global ordering of all tasks. As the current 
implementation, EEVDF should maintain virtual time locally for each CPU. 
EEVDF is a proportional  time share scheduler, therefore the relative 
weight and actual cpu share for each task varies when tasks join and 
leave. There will be not bin-pack problem for such systems.

I understand that bin-pack problem does exist in Real-time world. 
Suppose in a system has 2 cpus,  there a 3 tasks, all of which needs to 
finish 30ms work within a window of 50ms. Any 2 of them stay together 
will exceeds the bandwidth of one cpu. There is a bin-pack problem, 
unless the system has to be clever enough to break one of them down into 
2 requests of 15ms/25ms, and execute them on different cpus at different 
time without overlap, which is quite difficult :-)

In the proportional world, weights and cpu share are scale to fit with 
the bandwidth of a cpu. Therefore putting 2 of them on one cpu is fine, 
and the fairness for each cpu is preserved. On the other hand, moving 
one task back and forth among 2 cpus do give better throughput and 
better global fairness. I have not dig into the load balancing 
algorithms of SMP yet, so I leave it aside for now, first thing first :-)

Thanks !

Ting

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-05-03  3:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-01 21:22 [patch] CFS scheduler, -v8 Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02  2:57 ` Ting Yang
2007-05-02  5:10   ` Willy Tarreau
2007-05-02  5:30   ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-02 10:05   ` Bill Huey
2007-05-02 10:27   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 17:36   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-02 17:48     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-02 18:15       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 18:56         ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-02 19:12           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 19:42             ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-03  2:48       ` Ting Yang
2007-05-03  3:18       ` Ting Yang
2007-05-03 10:19         ` Bill Huey
2007-05-02 23:41     ` Ting Yang
2007-05-02 18:42   ` Li, Tong N
2007-05-02 19:10     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-03  3:07     ` Ting Yang [this message]
2007-05-03  8:50   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-03 14:26     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-03 15:19       ` Ting Yang
2007-05-03 15:02     ` Ting Yang
2007-05-02  6:37 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-05-02  6:45   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02  8:03   ` Gene Heskett
2007-05-02  8:12     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-05-02  8:48       ` Gene Heskett
2007-05-02  8:13     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02  8:51       ` Gene Heskett
2007-05-02  7:59 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-05-02  8:11   ` Gene Heskett
2007-05-02 10:40   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02  9:08 ` Balbir Singh
2007-05-02 10:05   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 10:59     ` Balbir Singh
2007-05-02 11:17       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-05  8:31         ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-05 17:44           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-06  8:29             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-06  8:36               ` Willy Tarreau
2007-05-06  8:52                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-06 17:45               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-07 11:30                 ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-07 15:55                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-07 16:11                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-08  0:35                   ` Peter Williams
2007-05-08  9:05                     ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-09  0:01                       ` Peter Williams
2007-05-10 13:09                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-11 16:50                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-11 19:18                         ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-11 19:37                           ` Willy Tarreau
2007-05-11 20:53                             ` Kevin Bowling
2007-05-07 11:09             ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-07 16:28               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-07 18:39                 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-05-07 18:55                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-08  7:34                   ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-08  9:54                     ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-05-08 10:27                       ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-08  5:36                 ` Matt Mackall
2007-05-02 12:58 ` Mark Lord
2007-05-02 12:58 ` Vegard Nossum
2007-05-02 16:41   ` Ingo Molnar
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-05-03  8:20 Zoltan Boszormenyi
2007-05-03 13:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-03 13:29   ` Damien Wyart
2007-05-03 14:53     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-03 15:53       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-03 18:44         ` Li, Tong N
2007-05-03 19:52           ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-07 14:22         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-07 20:54           ` Li, Tong N
2007-05-07  0:04     ` Bill Davidsen

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