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From: Davi Arnaut <davi@haxent.com.br>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@gmail.com>,
	Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>,
	Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 14/22] pollfs: pollable futex
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 18:57:52 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <463E4F60.60604@haxent.com.br> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070506125451.aac4b68f.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Sun, 6 May 2007 00:50:47 -0700 "Ulrich Drepper" <drepper@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> I really do not understand your point. You're too smart to not appreciate
>>> the beauty and the simmetry of objects that responds to a common interface
>>> (our files, win32 handles), and that fits our existing kernel infrastructure.
>> You're blinded by this symmetry.  Not everything that looks like a
>> good fit is a good idea.  This is one case.  Get over it, poll is not
>> powerful enough to serve as the unifying event mechanism.
> 
> What is your position on the timerfd/signalfd/etc patches?
> 
> Seems to me that if we were to have fancy new event-delivery machinery
> like kevent then the timerfd/signalfd work is heading in the other
> direction and ultimately would prove to have been unneeded?

IMHO, I thought we had already gone down the *fd road with inotify,
posix message queue, and _hundred_ others file objects with poll methods.

I also think that inotify+(e)poll proves how well the fd/epoll model
fits together, scales, and that a new fancy event-delivery machinery is
not necessary. And it makes me wonder why I hadn't followed its "watch"
approach for futexes:

futex_init(); // Davide's anon fd
futex_add_watch(int fd, void *addr, int val, uint32_t mask);
futex_rm_watch(int fd, uint32_t wd);

Anyway, this unifying event machinery can be built, if needed, in user
space by libevent and others.

--
Davi Arnaut

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-05-06 21:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-02  5:22 [patch 00/22] pollfs: filesystem abstraction for pollable objects Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 01/22] pollfs: kernel-side API header Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 02/22] pollfs: file system operations Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 03/22] pollfs: asynchronously wait for a signal Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 04/22] pollfs: pollable signal Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 05/22] pollfs: pollable signal compat code Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 06/22] pollfs: export the plsignal system call Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 07/22] pollfs: x86, wire up " Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 08/22] pollfs: x86_64, " Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 09/22] pollfs: pollable hrtimers Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02 21:16   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-05-02 23:00     ` Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 10/22] pollfs: export the pltimer system call Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 11/22] pollfs: x86, wire up " Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 12/22] pollfs: x86_64, " Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 13/22] pollfs: asynchronous futex wait Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 14/22] pollfs: pollable futex Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:54   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-02  6:16     ` Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  6:39       ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-02  6:54         ` Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  7:11         ` Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  7:40   ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-02  7:55     ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-02  8:08       ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-02  8:49         ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-02 16:39           ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-02 16:59             ` Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02 17:10               ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-02 17:29                 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-02 17:53                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-02 18:21                     ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-03 13:46                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-03 18:24                         ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-03 19:03                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-03 22:14                             ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-04 15:28                               ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-04 19:15                                 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-04 19:20                                   ` 2.6.20.4 / 2.6.21.1 AT91SAM9260-EK oops Ryan Ordway
2007-05-04 23:38                                   ` [patch 14/22] pollfs: pollable futex Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-05 18:54                                     ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-06  7:50                                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-06 19:47                                         ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-06 19:54                                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-06 20:18                                           ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-06 21:57                                           ` Davi Arnaut [this message]
2007-05-07  5:33                                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-07  5:46                                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-02 17:37                 ` Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02 17:49                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-02 18:05                     ` Davi Arnaut
2007-05-03 13:40                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-02 12:20     ` Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02 12:39     ` Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02 16:46       ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-02 17:05         ` Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 15/22] pollfs: export the plfutex system call Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 16/22] pollfs: x86, wire up " Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 17/22] pollfs: x86_64, " Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 18/22] pollfs: check if a AIO event ring is empty Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 19/22] pollfs: pollable aio Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 20/22] pollfs: export the plaio system call Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 21/22] pollfs: x86, wire up " Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  5:22 ` [patch 22/22] pollfs: x86_64, " Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02  6:05 ` [patch 00/22] pollfs: filesystem abstraction for pollable objects Andrew Morton
2007-05-02 17:28   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-02 17:47     ` Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02 18:23       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-02 18:50         ` Davi Arnaut
2007-05-02 19:42           ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-02 20:11             ` Davi Arnaut

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