From: Robert Hancock <hancockr@shaw.ca>
To: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] "volatile considered harmful" document
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 12:32:13 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4646082D.2080502@shaw.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fa.fKNBJtZJWOQthlLjc1TDfY6jCLc@ifi.uio.no>
Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Jonathan Corbet wrote:
>
>> +There are still a few rare situations where volatile makes sense in the
>> +kernel:
>> +
>> + - The above-mentioned accessor functions might use volatile on
>> + architectures where direct I/O memory access does work.
>> Essentially,
>> + each accessor call becomes a little critical section on its own and
>> + ensures that the access happens as expected by the programmer.
>> +
>> + - Inline assembly code which changes memory, but which has no other
>> + visible side effects, risks being deleted by GCC. Adding the
>> volatile
>> + keyword to asm statements will prevent this removal.
>> +
>> + - The jiffies variable is special in that it can have a different
>> value
>> + every time it is referenced, but it can be read without any special
>> + locking. So jiffies can be volatile, but the addition of other
>> + variables of this type is frowned upon. Jiffies is considered to
>> be a
>> + "stupid legacy" issue in this regard.
>
> It would seem that any variable which is (a) subject to change by other
> threads or hardware, and (b) the value of which is going to be used
> without writing the variable, would be a valid use for volatile.
You don't need volatile in that case, rmb() can be used.
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[not found] ` <fa.fKNBJtZJWOQthlLjc1TDfY6jCLc@ifi.uio.no>
2007-05-12 18:32 ` Robert Hancock [this message]
2007-05-13 16:30 ` [PATCH] "volatile considered harmful" document Krzysztof Halasa
2007-05-13 23:26 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-05-13 23:53 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-14 14:10 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-05-14 14:21 ` [2.6.21] circular locking dependency found in QUOTA OFF Folkert van Heusden
2007-05-14 17:43 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-05-14 17:44 ` Folkert van Heusden
2007-05-15 14:09 ` Jan Kara
2007-05-15 17:52 ` Folkert van Heusden
2007-05-15 18:14 ` Jan Kara
2007-05-15 19:18 ` Jan Kara
2007-05-09 21:05 [PATCH] "volatile considered harmful" document Jonathan Corbet
2007-05-09 21:45 ` Jesper Juhl
2007-05-09 22:31 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-05-09 22:47 ` Jesper Juhl
2007-05-09 23:20 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-05-09 22:05 ` Heikki Orsila
2007-05-09 22:19 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-05-09 22:35 ` Scott Preece
2007-05-10 16:14 ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2007-05-10 19:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-10 22:00 ` Alan Cox
2007-05-10 21:54 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-05-16 9:30 ` Thomas De Schampheleire
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