From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com>,
Alex Volkov <avcp-lkmail@usa.net>,
"'Linux Kernel Mailing List'" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: aio is unlikely
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 18:37:26 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <464E2AA6.3080402@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070518151259.319e09da.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Fri, 18 May 2007 17:54:32 -0400
> Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Andrew Morton wrote:
>>> Yes, if you agree with Jeff's original point.
>>>
>>> But I don't, actually. Sure, on some machines+workloads, AIO is more
>>> common than sync IO. But I expect that when we sum across all the
>>> machines+workloads in the world, sync IO is more common and is hence the
>>> case we should optimise for.
>>>
>>> That's assuming that the unlikely() actually does something.
>> But as Jeff said, that's not what unlikely is for. It should only be
>> used when it is unlikely for everybody, all the time, because when it is
>> right, it helps rather little, but when it is wrong, it hurts a lot.
>
> It does? Tell us more.
It is difficult to quantify either way. The details are both
CPU-specific and compiler-specific. The best information can be culled
from the gcc list archives, which is where I obtained my knowledge on
the subject (which is now ~2 years old).
Under the hood, likely() and unlikely() are implemented as percentage
predictions. likely() is implemented in the kernel as a 99-100% chance
of success, and unlikely() is implemented as a 0-1% chance of success.
As such, for our purposes, likely() and unlikely() should only be used
when a situation is [likely | unlikely] across all runtime
configurations. So if you mark a branch unlikely() when it is hit often
by 1% of your users, that is an incorrect usage.
The effects are probably most dramatic on older CPUs. Repeatedly
hitting an unlikely() can cause a pipeline stall on every single access.
Branch delay slots are filled improperly, with obvious implications.
But on modern hardware, I would /guess/ that the effect of repeatedly
hitting an unlikely() would be mitigated by smarter branch prediction.
We really need a GCC expert to answer this question in any more detail.
Jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-05-18 22:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <200705092101.l49L1CF1023363@hera.kernel.org>
2007-05-09 22:06 ` aio is unlikely Jeff Garzik
2007-05-09 22:18 ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-09 22:37 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-18 20:49 ` Alex Volkov
2007-05-18 21:06 ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-18 21:11 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-18 21:54 ` Phillip Susi
2007-05-18 22:12 ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-18 22:37 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2007-05-19 3:43 ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-19 3:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-18 21:30 ` Bernd Eckenfels
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