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From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com>,
	Alex Volkov <avcp-lkmail@usa.net>,
	"'Linux Kernel Mailing List'" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: aio is unlikely
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 18:37:26 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <464E2AA6.3080402@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070518151259.319e09da.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Fri, 18 May 2007 17:54:32 -0400
> Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> 
>> Andrew Morton wrote:
>>> Yes, if you agree with Jeff's original point.
>>>
>>> But I don't, actually.  Sure, on some machines+workloads, AIO is more
>>> common than sync IO.  But I expect that when we sum across all the
>>> machines+workloads in the world, sync IO is more common and is hence the
>>> case we should optimise for.
>>>
>>> That's assuming that the unlikely() actually does something.
>> But as Jeff said, that's not what unlikely is for.  It should only be 
>> used when it is unlikely for everybody, all the time, because when it is 
>> right, it helps rather little, but when it is wrong, it hurts a lot.
> 
> It does?  Tell us more.

It is difficult to quantify either way.  The details are both 
CPU-specific and compiler-specific.  The best information can be culled 
from the gcc list archives, which is where I obtained my knowledge on 
the subject (which is now ~2 years old).

Under the hood, likely() and unlikely() are implemented as percentage 
predictions.  likely() is implemented in the kernel as a 99-100% chance 
of success, and unlikely() is implemented as a 0-1% chance of success.

As such, for our purposes, likely() and unlikely() should only be used 
when a situation is [likely | unlikely] across all runtime 
configurations.  So if you mark a branch unlikely() when it is hit often 
by 1% of your users, that is an incorrect usage.

The effects are probably most dramatic on older CPUs.  Repeatedly 
hitting an unlikely() can cause a pipeline stall on every single access. 
  Branch delay slots are filled improperly, with obvious implications.

But on modern hardware, I would /guess/ that the effect of repeatedly 
hitting an unlikely() would be mitigated by smarter branch prediction.

We really need a GCC expert to answer this question in any more detail.

	Jeff



  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-18 22:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200705092101.l49L1CF1023363@hera.kernel.org>
2007-05-09 22:06 ` aio is unlikely Jeff Garzik
2007-05-09 22:18   ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-09 22:37     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-18 20:49     ` Alex Volkov
2007-05-18 21:06       ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-18 21:11         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-18 21:54         ` Phillip Susi
2007-05-18 22:12           ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-18 22:37             ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2007-05-19  3:43               ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-19  3:50                 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-18 21:30       ` Bernd Eckenfels

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