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From: Crispin Cowan <crispin@novell.com>
To: casey@schaufler-ca.com
Cc: Andreas Gruenbacher <agruen@suse.de>,
	Jeremy Maitin-Shepard <jbms@cmu.edu>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [AppArmor 01/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_create LSM hook
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 22:27:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4657C547.6030506@novell.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <312681.33492.qm@web36609.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Casey Schaufler wrote:
> --- Andreas Gruenbacher <agruen@suse.de> wrote:
>   
>> AppArmor cannot assume anything about argv[0],
>>
>> and it would be a really bad idea to change the well-established semantics of
>>
>> argv[0].
>>
>> There is no actual need for looking at argv[0], though: AppArmor decides
>> based 
>> on the actual pathname of the executable...
>>     
> Right. My point was that if you wanted to use the gzip/gunzip
> example of a file with two names being treated differently based
> on the name accessed as an argument for AppArmor you could.
AppArmor detects the pathname of the file exec'd at the time the parent
exec's it, and not anything inside the child involving argv[0].

As such, AA can detect whether you did exec("gzip") or exec("gunzip")
and apply the policy relevant to the program. It could apply different
policies to each of them, so whether it has access to /tmp/mumble/barf
depends on whether you called it 'gzip' or 'gunzip'. Caveat: it makes no
sense to profile either gzip or gunzip in the AppArmor model, so I won't
defend what kind of policy you would put on them.

Finally, AA doesn't care what the contents of the executable are. We
assume that it is a copy of metasploit or something, and confine it to
access only the resources that the policy says.

>  If
> you don't want to, that's ok too. Jeremy raised a reasonable objection,
> and AppArmor could address it if y'all chose to do so. I seriously
> doubt that enforcing the argv[0] convention would break much, and I
> also expect that if it did there's a Consultant's Retirement to be
> made fixing the security hole it points out.
>   
AppArmor does address it, and I hope this explains how we detect which
of multiple hard links to a file you used to access the file without
mucking about with argv[0].

Crispin

-- 
Crispin Cowan, Ph.D.               http://crispincowan.com/~crispin/
Director of Software Engineering   http://novell.com
		   Security: It's not linear


  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-26  5:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 187+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-12  9:08 [AppArmor 00/41] AppArmor security module overview jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 01/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_create LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 10:06   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-16 16:11     ` [nameidata 1/2] Don't pass NULL nameidata to vfs_create Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-16 16:21       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-16 16:40         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-16 16:45           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-17 12:09             ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-11 15:59         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-16 16:25       ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-04-16 16:29     ` [nameidata 2/2] Pass no useless nameidata to the create, lookup, and permission IOPs Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-16 16:39       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-16 16:42       ` Randy Dunlap
2007-04-16 16:44         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-16 16:50           ` Randy Dunlap
2007-04-12 10:12   ` [AppArmor 01/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_create LSM hook Al Viro
2007-05-23 19:06     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-24  1:28       ` James Morris
2007-05-24  9:16         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-24 12:51         ` [AppArmor 01/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_create LSMhook Tetsuo Handa
     [not found]         ` <200705241112.41101.agruen@suse.de>
2007-05-24 13:19           ` [AppArmor 01/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_create LSM hook James Morris
2007-05-24 18:10             ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-24 18:40               ` Al Viro
2007-05-24 21:56                 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-24 18:58               ` Casey Schaufler
2007-05-25  4:14                 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-25  5:17                 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-05-25 17:43                   ` Casey Schaufler
2007-05-25 18:10                     ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-05-25 18:13                       ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-05-25 19:06                       ` Casey Schaufler
2007-05-26  1:40                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-05-26 12:10                         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-26 22:58                           ` Casey Schaufler
2007-05-27  1:33                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-05-25 20:00                     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-25 20:27                       ` Casey Schaufler
2007-05-26  5:27                         ` Crispin Cowan [this message]
2007-05-26 13:34                           ` Alan Cox
2007-05-26 14:05                             ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-26 18:41                           ` James Morris
2007-05-26  5:20                 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-05-26 11:46                   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-26 12:09                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-05-26 13:41                       ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-26 14:44                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-05-26 16:52                           ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-26 18:16                           ` Kyle Moffett
2007-05-26 18:45                   ` [AppArmor 01/41] " James Morris
2007-05-26 23:08                     ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-05-27  2:10                       ` Kyle Moffett
2007-05-27  2:37                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-05-27  5:32                           ` Kyle Moffett
2007-05-28 20:38                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-29  2:00                               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-05-27  7:25                         ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-05-27 13:35                           ` Kyle Moffett
2007-05-28 10:41                             ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-05-29  1:54                               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-05-29 21:17                                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-05-30  5:52                                   ` Crispin Cowan
2007-05-24 14:40                                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-30 10:06                                     ` Alan Cox
2007-05-30  2:38                                 ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-05-27  8:34                   ` Cliffe
2007-05-27 13:07                     ` Kyle Moffett
2007-05-27 16:12                     ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]                       ` <465AE46B.4090109@iinet.net.au>
2007-05-28 22:29                         ` Crispin Cowan
2007-05-29 10:46                           ` [AppArmor 01/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_create LSMhook Tetsuo Handa
2007-05-29 15:52                             ` Casey Schaufler
2007-05-29 19:58                               ` James Morris
2007-05-29 17:07                             ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-29 20:47                               ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-05-29 22:10                                 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-30 11:38                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-05-29 14:45                           ` [AppArmor 01/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_create LSM hook Pavel Machek
2007-05-29 23:25                             ` david
2007-05-29 23:30                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-30  1:46                                 ` David Wagner
2007-05-24 14:47                                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-01 17:44                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-06-01 18:00                                       ` david
2007-06-04 11:07                                         ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-02  4:30                                       ` David Wagner
2007-06-02  7:40                                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-06-02 14:27                                           ` david
2007-06-02 19:14                                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-06-02 19:51                                               ` david
2007-06-03  4:52                                                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-06-08 20:24                                         ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-08 21:54                                           ` Casey Schaufler
2007-05-30  5:42                             ` Crispin Cowan
2007-05-25  8:01             ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 02/41] Remove redundant check from proc_setattr() jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 03/41] Remove redundant check from proc_sys_setattr() jjohansen
2007-04-12 10:10   ` Alan Cox
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 04/41] Pass struct file down to remove_suid and children jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 05/41] Add a vfsmount parameter to notify_change() jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 06/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_setattr LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 07/41] Add struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_mkdir() jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 08/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_mkdir LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 09/41] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_mknod() jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 10/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_mknod LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 11/41] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_symlink() jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 12/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_symlink LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 13/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_readlink " jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 14/41] Add struct vfsmount parameters to vfs_link() jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 15/41] Pass the struct vfsmounts to the inode_link LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 16/41] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_rmdir() jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 17/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_rmdir LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 18/41] call lsm hook before unhashing dentry in vfs_rmdir() jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 19/41] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_unlink() jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 20/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_unlink LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 21/41] Add struct vfsmount parameters to vfs_rename() jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 22/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_rename LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 23/41] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_setxattr() jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 24/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_setxattr LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 25/41] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_getxattr() jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 26/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_getxattr LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 27/41] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_listxattr() jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 28/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_listxattr LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 29/41] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_removexattr() jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 30/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_removexattr LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 31/41] Fix __d_path() for lazy unmounts and make it unambiguous; exclude unreachable mount points from /proc/mounts jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:58   ` Alan Cox
2007-04-15 17:40     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-16 21:57       ` Alan Cox
2007-04-17  1:35         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-17 17:21           ` Alan Cox
2007-04-19 23:23             ` [d_path 0/7] Fixes to d_path: Respin Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-20  9:30               ` Alan Cox
2007-04-20 11:45                 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-20 15:15                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-20 15:21                     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-20 15:24                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-20 16:40                         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-20 19:17                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-20 20:44                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-21 19:04                             ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-21 19:46                               ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-22  9:10                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-22 15:48                                 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-19 23:23             ` [d_path 1/7] Fix __d_path() for lazy unmounts and make it unambiguous Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-20  9:32               ` Alan Cox
2007-04-19 23:23             ` [d_path 2/7] Make d_path() consistent across mount operations Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-19 23:23             ` [d_path 3/7] Add d_namespace_path() to compute namespace relative pathnames Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-21 12:57               ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-04-21 16:16                 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-19 23:23             ` [d_path 4/7] Make getcwd() only return valid paths Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-19 23:23             ` [d_path 5/7] Remove duplicate proc code Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-19 23:23             ` [d_path 6/7] Filter out disconnected paths from /proc/mounts Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-20  9:34               ` Alan Cox
2007-04-19 23:23             ` [d_path 7/7] Distinguish between connected and disconnected paths in d_path() Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-17  6:30         ` [AppArmor 31/41] Fix __d_path() for lazy unmounts and make it unambiguous; exclude unreachable mount points from /proc/mounts Rob Meijer
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 32/41] Make d_path() consistent across mount operations jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 33/41] Add d_namespace_path() to obtain namespace relative pathnames jjohansen
2007-04-12 10:49   ` Al Viro
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 34/41] Enable LSM hooks to distinguish operations on file descriptors from operations on pathnames jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 35/41] Pass struct file down the inode_*xattr security LSM hooks jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 36/41] Export audit subsystem for use by modules jjohansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 37/41] AppArmor: Main Part jjohansen
2007-04-12 10:37   ` Alan Cox
2007-04-13  8:17     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-13  8:48     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-13  8:52       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 38/41] AppArmor: Module and LSM hooks jjohansen
2007-04-12 10:21   ` Alan Cox
2007-04-16 21:37     ` John Johansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 39/41] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching jjohansen
2007-04-12 10:28   ` Alan Cox
2007-04-12 13:46   ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-15 14:21     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-16  6:27       ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-16 20:56         ` John Johansen
2007-04-16  7:39       ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-16 22:00       ` Alan Cox
2007-04-16 22:11         ` John Johansen
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 40/41] AppArmor: all the rest jjohansen
2007-04-12 10:32   ` Al Viro
2007-04-12 11:32     ` Al Viro
2007-04-12  9:08 ` [AppArmor 41/41] Add AppArmor LSM to security/Makefile jjohansen
2007-04-12 10:33 ` [AppArmor 00/41] AppArmor security module overview Shaya Potter
2007-04-12 13:50 ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-12 21:13   ` David Wagner
2007-04-16  7:46     ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-16 18:24       ` David Wagner
2007-04-13  8:04 ` Rob Meijer

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