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From: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
To: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [patch 2/2] ufd v1 - use unsequential O(1) fdmap
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 13:46:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4663289D.5030109@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706031311490.13247@alien.or.mcafeemobile.com>

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Davide Libenzi wrote:
>> If randomizing each allocator is too expensive then randomize at the
>> very least the number of the first descriptor you give out.
> 
> Can you tell me how this can be a problem, and in which way making a 
> random thing would help?

In attacking an application every bit of known data can be used in an
exploit.  Be it something as simple as having a predetermined value at a
certain point in the program since it loaded a file descriptor into a
register.

But what I'm mostly thinking about is the case where I/O could be
redirected.  The intruding program could call dup2() and suddenly the
program wanting to write a password to disk could be directed to send it
over a socket.  One could imagine countless such attacks.

I don't say such an attack exists today.  But this is no reason to not
implement these extra security measures.  The cost of a randomized star
base (offset from 2^30) should be zero.

- --
➧ Ulrich Drepper ➧ Red Hat, Inc. ➧ 444 Castro St ➧ Mountain View, CA ❖
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  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-03 20:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-02 22:59 [patch 2/2] ufd v1 - use unsequential O(1) fdmap Davide Libenzi
2007-06-03  6:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-03 18:22   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-06-03 18:20 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-06-03 18:53   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-06-03 19:43     ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-06-03 20:19       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-06-03 20:46         ` Ulrich Drepper [this message]
2007-06-03 23:01           ` Davide Libenzi
2007-06-03 23:09             ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-06-03 23:32               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-06-04  5:11         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-04  5:22           ` Ulrich Drepper

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