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From: Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Chuck Ebbert <cebbert@redhat.com>,
	Stephen Tweedie <sct@redhat.com>, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: ext3fs: umount+sync not enough to guarantee metadata-on-disk
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:47:05 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <466DD0E9.1060506@rtr.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070611111457.GB26561@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>

Jan Kara wrote:
>> Andrew Morton wrote:
>>> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:11:58 -0400
>>> Chuck Ebbert <cebbert@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 06/07/2007 11:41 AM, Andrew Morton wrote:
>>>>>>   mount /var/lib/mythtv -oremount,ro
>>>>>>   sync
>>>>>>   umount /var/lib/mythtv
>>>>> Did this succeed?  If the application is still truncating that file, the
>>>>> umount should have failed.
>>>> Shouldn't sync should wait for truncate to finish?
>>> I can't think of anything in there at present which would cause that to
>>> happen, and it's not immediately obvious how we _could_ make it happen - we
>>> have an inode which potentially has no dirty pages and which is itself
>>> clean.  The truncate can span multiple journal commits, so forcing a
>>> journal commit in sync() won't necessarily block behind the truncate.
>>>
>>> I guess we could ask sync to speculatively take and release every inode's
>>> i_mutex or something.  But even that would involve quite some hoop-jumping
>>> due to those infuriating spinlock-protected list_heads on the superblock.
>>>
>>> hmm.
>> Okay, I added more instrumentation and retested today.
>>
>> Good and Bad.
>> The umount does indeed fail while the massive unlink is happening,
>> so I can just loop on that a few times before giving up.
>>
>> But.. the earlier "remount,ro".. well.. I don't know what it does.
>> I did get it to lock up solid, though.. hung on the "remount,ro"
>> when issued during an unlink of a 15GB file.  The disk I/O eventually
>> completes, and drives go idle, but the system remains hung inside
>> the remount,ro call.
>>
>> Alt-sysrq-T was functioning, so I have some screen shots (.jpg) here:
>>
>>  http://rtr.ca/remount_ro/
>   Thanks for the traces.
> 
>> That's definitely a bug.
>   Yes. We have a nice lock inversion there. ext3_remount() is called
> with sb->s_lock held and waits for transaction to finish in
> journal_lock_updates(). On the other hand ext3_orphan_del() is called
> inside a transaction and tries to do lock_super()... Bad luck.
>

Peachy.  Do you have enough knowledge here to generate a fix for this?
Maybe just have the remount break out, releasing all locks, and then 
loop and retry (or return -EBUSY?) when this happens?

Cheers

  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-11 22:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-07 13:44 ext3fs: umount+sync not enough to guarantee metadata-on-disk Mark Lord
2007-06-07 15:41 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-07 16:01   ` Mark Lord
2007-06-07 17:09     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2007-06-10 18:27     ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-12 15:15       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2007-06-14 19:01       ` Phillip Susi
2007-06-07 16:11   ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-06-07 19:45     ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-07 21:38       ` Mark Lord
2007-06-07 22:04         ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-08 14:51           ` Mark Lord
2007-06-09  2:58       ` Mark Lord
2007-06-11 11:14         ` Jan Kara
2007-06-11 22:47           ` Mark Lord [this message]
2007-06-12 10:00             ` Jan Kara
2007-06-07 21:43     ` Mark Lord
2007-06-10 18:31       ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-11 11:05       ` Jan Kara
2007-06-11 22:46         ` Mark Lord

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