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From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Alexey Kuznetsov <kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Dipankar Sarma <dipankar@in.ibm.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	matthew.wilcox@hp.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/6] Convert all tasklets to workqueues
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:23:24 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4683D26C.2080701@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070628143850.GA11780@ms2.inr.ac.ru>

Alexey Kuznetsov wrote:
> Hello!
> 
>> the context-switch argument i'll believe if i see numbers. You'll 
>> probably need in excess of tens of thousands of irqs/sec to even be able 
>> to measure its overhead. (workqueues are driven by nice kernel threads 
>> so there's no TLB overhead, etc.)
> 
> It was authors of the patch who were supposed to give some numbers,
> at least one or two, just to prove the concept. :-)
> 
> According to my measurements (maybe, wrong) on 2.5GHz P4 tasklet
> schedule and execution eats ~300ns, workqueue eats ~4usec.
> On my 1.8GHz PM notebook (UP kernel), the numbers are 170ns and 1.2usec.

Thanks :)


> Anyway, all the uses of tasklet should be verified:
> 
> The most dubios place is popular Neterion 10Gbit driver, which uses
> tasklet like acenic. But at 10Gbit, multiply acenic numbers and panic. :-)
> 
> Also, there exists some hardware which uses tasklets even harder,
> but I have no idea what real frequencies are: f.e. sundance.
> 
> The case with acenic/s2io is quite special: normally network drivers
> refill queues in irq handlers. It was Jes Sorensen observation
> that offloading refilling from irq improves performance, I do not
> remember numbers. Probably, switching to workqueues will not affect
> performance at all, probably it will just collapse, no idea.

CPUs have gotten so fast now that its quite possible to run the tasklet 
in parallel with the next invocation of the interrupt handler.

But given the amount of tasklet use in network drivers, I do not think 
tasklets can just be magically equated to workqueues, without 
case-by-case analysis.


> Tasklet is single thread by definition and purpose. Those a few places

Indeed!


>> the only remaining argument is latency:
> 
> You could set realtime prioriry by default, not a poor nice -5.
> If some network adapters were killed just because I run some task
> with nice --22, it would be just ridiculous.

Indeed.

	Jeff



  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-28 15:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-22  4:00 [RFC PATCH 0/6] Convert all tasklets to workqueues Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22  4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 1/6] Convert the RCU tasklet into a softirq Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22  7:10   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22  7:43     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 12:35       ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 12:55         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22  4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 2/6] Split out tasklets from softirq.c Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22  7:11   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 12:40     ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 13:45   ` Akinobu Mita
2007-06-22 13:58     ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22  4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 3/6] Add a tasklet is-scheduled API Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22  4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 4/6] Make DRM use the tasklet is-sched API Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22  6:36   ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22  6:49     ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-06-22  7:08       ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 12:15         ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 15:36           ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 22:38             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 23:28               ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 16:10       ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-22 16:56         ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 18:24         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 23:38           ` Dave Airlie
2007-06-22  4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 5/6] Move tasklet.h to tasklet_softirq.h Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22  4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 6/6] Convert tasklets to work queues Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22  7:06   ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 13:29     ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 15:52       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-22 16:35         ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-23 11:15   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-22  7:09 ` [RFC PATCH 0/6] Convert all tasklets to workqueues Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22  7:51   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22  7:53     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 11:23       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 12:32   ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 12:38     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 12:58       ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 13:12         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 14:27           ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 13:13         ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-22 13:26           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 13:41             ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-22 14:00               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 13:35           ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 14:25 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-22 14:42   ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 14:43     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-22 17:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-22 17:31   ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 18:32   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 20:40   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 21:00     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 21:10       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 21:13       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-06-22 21:37     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-22 21:59       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 22:09         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 22:43           ` Roland Dreier
2007-06-22 22:57             ` Alan Cox
2007-06-22 22:58         ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-23  6:23         ` Dave Airlie
2007-06-24 15:16         ` Jonathan Corbet
2007-06-24 15:52           ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 16:50           ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-06-25 17:06             ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 20:50               ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-06-25 21:03                 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 19:52             ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-06-26  0:00           ` Jonathan Corbet
2007-06-26  0:52             ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 18:48         ` Kristian Høgsberg
2007-06-25 19:11           ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 20:07             ` Kristian Høgsberg
2007-06-25 20:31               ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 21:08                 ` Kristian Høgsberg
2007-06-25 21:15           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-25 23:36             ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-26  0:46               ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-26  1:46         ` Dan Williams
2007-06-26  2:01           ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-26  2:12             ` Dan Williams
2007-06-28 12:37               ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-28 16:37                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-28 18:02                 ` Dan Williams
2007-06-28 20:46                   ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-28 21:23                     ` Dan Williams
2007-06-28 21:40                       ` Dan Williams
2007-06-28 22:01                         ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-28 22:00                       ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-28  5:48         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-28  9:23           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-28 14:38             ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-28 15:23               ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2007-06-28 15:54               ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-28 16:00               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-28 17:26                 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-28 17:44                 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-28 18:19                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-28 20:07                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-29 11:34                 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 11:48                   ` Duncan Sands
2007-06-29 13:36                     ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 14:01                       ` Duncan Sands
2007-06-29 16:34                         ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 12:29                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-29 13:25                     ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 13:43                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-29 15:23                         ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 13:41                   ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-29 14:24                     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-29 14:26                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-29 19:04                       ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 14:27                     ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 15:51                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-29 16:21                     ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 16:52                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-29 17:09                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-30 11:25                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-28 15:17             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-22 21:53     ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 22:09       ` david
2007-06-22 22:15         ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 22:44           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 23:28             ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 22:15       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-23  5:14 ` Stephen Hemminger
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-06-26 13:03 Clemens Ladisch
2007-06-26 13:15 ` Takashi Iwai

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