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From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Alexey Kuznetsov <kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Dipankar Sarma <dipankar@in.ibm.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	matthew.wilcox@hp.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/6] Convert all tasklets to workqueues
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:26:40 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4683EF50.30108@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070628160001.GA15495@elte.hu>

Ingo Molnar wrote:
> my argument was: workqueues are more scalable than tasklets in general.

Here is my argument:  that is totally irrelevant to $subject, when it 
comes to dealing with managing existing [network driver] behavior and 
performance.

My overall objection is the attempt to replace apples with oranges.

Network drivers use tasklets TODAY.  Each driver -- in particular 
acenic, ns83820, and the 10Gbps drivers -- has been carefully tuned to 
use tasklets, hardirqs, and perhaps NAPI too.  Changing to workqueue 
WILL affect network driver hot paths, yet I see no analysis or 
measurement at all of the behavior differences.

If hackers are willing to revisit each network driver, rework the 
tasklet code to something more sane [in your opinion], and TEST it, I 
will review the patches and happily ACK away.

Given that I feel that course of action is unlikely (the preferred 
alternative apparently being "I don't use these drivers, but surely my 
changes are OK anyway"), I do not see how this effort can proceed as is.

Lots of time went into tuning these network drivers for the specific 
thread model they use.  Maybe that thread model is no longer in style. 
Maybe modern machine behavior dictates a different approach.  The point 
is... you don't know.

	Jeff



  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-28 17:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-22  4:00 [RFC PATCH 0/6] Convert all tasklets to workqueues Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22  4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 1/6] Convert the RCU tasklet into a softirq Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22  7:10   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22  7:43     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 12:35       ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 12:55         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22  4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 2/6] Split out tasklets from softirq.c Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22  7:11   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 12:40     ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 13:45   ` Akinobu Mita
2007-06-22 13:58     ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22  4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 3/6] Add a tasklet is-scheduled API Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22  4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 4/6] Make DRM use the tasklet is-sched API Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22  6:36   ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22  6:49     ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-06-22  7:08       ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 12:15         ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 15:36           ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 22:38             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 23:28               ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 16:10       ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-22 16:56         ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 18:24         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 23:38           ` Dave Airlie
2007-06-22  4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 5/6] Move tasklet.h to tasklet_softirq.h Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22  4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 6/6] Convert tasklets to work queues Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22  7:06   ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 13:29     ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 15:52       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-22 16:35         ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-23 11:15   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-22  7:09 ` [RFC PATCH 0/6] Convert all tasklets to workqueues Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22  7:51   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22  7:53     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 11:23       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 12:32   ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 12:38     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 12:58       ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 13:12         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 14:27           ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 13:13         ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-22 13:26           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 13:41             ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-22 14:00               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 13:35           ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 14:25 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-22 14:42   ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 14:43     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-22 17:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-22 17:31   ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-22 18:32   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 20:40   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 21:00     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-22 21:10       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 21:13       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-06-22 21:37     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-22 21:59       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 22:09         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 22:43           ` Roland Dreier
2007-06-22 22:57             ` Alan Cox
2007-06-22 22:58         ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-23  6:23         ` Dave Airlie
2007-06-24 15:16         ` Jonathan Corbet
2007-06-24 15:52           ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 16:50           ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-06-25 17:06             ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 20:50               ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-06-25 21:03                 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 19:52             ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-06-26  0:00           ` Jonathan Corbet
2007-06-26  0:52             ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 18:48         ` Kristian Høgsberg
2007-06-25 19:11           ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 20:07             ` Kristian Høgsberg
2007-06-25 20:31               ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-25 21:08                 ` Kristian Høgsberg
2007-06-25 21:15           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-25 23:36             ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-26  0:46               ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-26  1:46         ` Dan Williams
2007-06-26  2:01           ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-26  2:12             ` Dan Williams
2007-06-28 12:37               ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-28 16:37                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-28 18:02                 ` Dan Williams
2007-06-28 20:46                   ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-28 21:23                     ` Dan Williams
2007-06-28 21:40                       ` Dan Williams
2007-06-28 22:01                         ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-28 22:00                       ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-28  5:48         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-28  9:23           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-28 14:38             ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-28 15:23               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-28 15:54               ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-28 16:00               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-28 17:26                 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2007-06-28 17:44                 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-28 18:19                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-28 20:07                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-29 11:34                 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 11:48                   ` Duncan Sands
2007-06-29 13:36                     ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 14:01                       ` Duncan Sands
2007-06-29 16:34                         ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 12:29                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-29 13:25                     ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 13:43                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-29 15:23                         ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 13:41                   ` Steven Rostedt
2007-06-29 14:24                     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-29 14:26                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-29 19:04                       ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 14:27                     ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 15:51                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-29 16:21                     ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2007-06-29 16:52                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-29 17:09                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-30 11:25                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-28 15:17             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-22 21:53     ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 22:09       ` david
2007-06-22 22:15         ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 22:44           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 23:28             ` Daniel Walker
2007-06-22 22:15       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-23  5:14 ` Stephen Hemminger
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-06-26 13:03 Clemens Ladisch
2007-06-26 13:15 ` Takashi Iwai

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