From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1761822AbXGEXDt (ORCPT ); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:03:49 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1760071AbXGEXDi (ORCPT ); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:03:38 -0400 Received: from srv5.dvmed.net ([207.36.208.214]:51580 "EHLO mail.dvmed.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1759965AbXGEXDh (ORCPT ); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:03:37 -0400 Message-ID: <468D78BE.4030902@garzik.org> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:03:26 -0400 From: Jeff Garzik User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christoph Hellwig , Karel Zak , List util-linux-ng , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] util-linux-ng 2.13-rc1 References: <20070703221156.GY14825@petra.dvoda.cz> <20070704084211.GA19128@infradead.org> In-Reply-To: <20070704084211.GA19128@infradead.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Spam-Report: SpamAssassin version 3.1.9 on srv5.dvmed.net summary: Content analysis details: (-4.3 points, 5.0 required) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Christoph Hellwig wrote: > On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 12:11:56AM +0200, Karel Zak wrote: >> The package build system is now based on autotools. The build system >> supports separate CFLAGS and LDFLAGS for suid programs (SUID_CFLAGS, >> SUID_LDFLAGS). For more details see the README file > > And this is really dumb. autotools is a completely pain in the ass and > not useful at all for linux-only tools. A myth. It is quite useful for packagers, because of the high Just Works(tm) factor. After porting an entire across several revisions of a distro, the autotools-based packages are the ones that work out of the box 90% of the time. The other 90% of _my_ time comes from annoying people who roll their own Makefile/build solution, which the packager has to then learn. It's just not scalable for people to keep building their own build solutions. Jeff