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From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Ian Kent <raven@themaw.net>,
	Chuck Ebbert <cebbert@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch] CFS scheduler, -v19
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:37:37 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <469E8821.3070700@tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.999.0707180852540.27353@woody.linux-foundation.org>

Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>   
>> * Ian Kent <raven@themaw.net> wrote:
>>     
>>> In several places I have code similar to:
>>>
>>> wait.tv_sec = time(NULL) + 1;
>>> wait.tv_nsec = 0;
>>>       
>
> Ok, that definitely should work.
>
> Does the patch below help?
>
>   
Spectacularly no! With this patch the "glitch1" script with multiple 
scrolling windows has all xterms and glxgears stop totally dead for 
~200ms once per second. I didn't properly test anything else after that. 
Since the automount issue doesn't seem to start until something kicks it 
off, I didn't see it but that doesn't mean it's fixed.
>> ah! It passes in a low-res time source into a high-res time interface 
>> (pthread_cond_timedwait()). Could you change the time(NULL) + 1 to 
>> time(NULL) + 2, or change it to:
>>
>> 	gettimeofday(&wait, NULL);
>> 	wait.tv_sec++;
>>     
>
> This is wrong. It's wrong for two reasons:
>
>  - it really shouldn't be needed. I don't think "time()" has to be 
>    *exactly* in sync, but I don't think it can be off by a third of a 
>    second or whatever (as the "30% CPU load" would seem to imply)
>
>  - gettimeofday works on a timeval, pthread_cond_timedwait() works on a 
>    timespec.
>
> So if it actually makes a difference, it makes a difference for the 
> *wrong* reason: the time is still totally nonsensical in the tv_nsec field 
> (because it actually got filled in with msecs!), but now the tv_sec field 
> is in sync, so it hides the bug.
>
> Anyway, hopefully the patch below might help. But we probably should make 
> this whole thing a much more generic routine (ie we have our internal 
> "getnstimeofday()" that still is missing the second-overflow logic, and 
> that is quite possibly the one that triggers the "30% off" behaviour).
>
>   
Hope that info helps.

> Ingo, I'd suggest:
>  - ger rid of "timespec_add_ns()", or at least make it return a return 
>    value for when it overflows.
>  - make all the people who overflow into tv_sec call a "fix_up_seconds()" 
>    thing that does the xtime overflow handling.
>
> 		Linus
>   


  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-07-18 21:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-06 17:33 [patch] CFS scheduler, -v19 Ingo Molnar
2007-07-08 17:46 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-07-09 22:39   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-17 21:44     ` Willy Tarreau
2007-07-10  8:08 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-11 17:26   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-07-11 20:55     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-12 12:41       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-07-13 21:19       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-07-16 21:34         ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-07-16 21:55           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-17  4:22             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-07-17  5:01             ` Ian Kent
2007-07-17  7:45               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-17 11:17                 ` Ian Kent
2007-07-17 17:16                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-18  1:24                     ` Bill Davidsen
2007-07-18  6:19                       ` Ian Kent
2007-07-17 16:30                 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-07-17 21:16                 ` David Schwartz
2007-07-18  5:59                   ` Ian Kent
2007-07-18  7:54                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-18 13:50                       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-07-18 17:23                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-18 16:03                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-18 17:31                   ` Ian Kent
2007-07-18 21:37                   ` Bill Davidsen [this message]
2007-07-19  8:53                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-19 14:32                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-19 17:06                       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-07-19 17:10                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-19 17:17                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-19 17:26                         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-07-19 17:42                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-20  2:32                       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-07-19  8:16                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-14 11:34 ` Markus
2007-07-14 15:11   ` Markus
2007-07-16  9:41     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-16 17:59       ` Markus
2007-07-17  7:37         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-17 13:06           ` Markus
2007-07-17 17:06             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-17 17:13               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-17 19:42               ` Markus
2007-07-17 20:09                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-17 20:37                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-17 20:43                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-17 22:03                       ` Markus
2007-07-20 22:26                       ` Markus
2007-07-22 11:59                         ` konqueror suddenly vanishing, "konqueror: Fatal IO error: client killed" Ingo Molnar
2007-07-22 14:26                           ` Markus
2007-08-09 17:34                       ` [patch] CFS scheduler, -v19 Markus
2007-08-10  7:46                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-14 17:15                           ` Markus
2007-10-17  0:02                       ` Markus
2007-07-14 17:19 ` Ed Tomlinson
2007-07-15  5:25   ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-15 12:53     ` Markus
2007-07-15 19:46       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-15 21:11         ` Markus
2007-07-16  6:42           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-16  8:00     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-16  9:17   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-16 11:10     ` Ed Tomlinson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-07-08 20:51 Al Boldi

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