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From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>,
	jbeulich@novell.com, "S. P. Prasanna" <prasanna@in.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, patches@x86-64.org,
	Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Subject: Re: new text patching for review
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:30:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <469FC9D4.5070604@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <p73d4yow0ys.fsf@bingen.suse.de>

Andi Kleen wrote:
> Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca> writes:
>   
>> I see that IRQs are disabled in alternative_instructions(), but it does
>> not protect against NMIs, which could come at a very inappropriate
>> moment. MCE and SMIs would potentially cause the same kind of trouble.
>>
>> So unless you can guarantee that any code from NMI handler won't call
>> basic things such as get_cycles() (nor MCE, nor SMIs), you can't insure
>> it won't execute an illegal instruction. Also, the option of temporarily
>> disabling the NMI for the duration of the update simply adds unwanted
>> latency to the NMI handler which could be unacceptable in some setups.
>>     
>
> Ok it's a fair point.  But how would you address it ?
>
> Even if we IPIed the other CPUs NMIs or MCEs could still happen.
>
> BTW Jeremy, have you ever considered that problem with paravirt ops
> patching? 
>   

I remember Zach was thinking about it when he was thinking of making vmi
a kernel module, but I don't think we discussed it with respect to the
current patching mechanism.  Though he did discover that at one point
alternative_instructions() was being run with interrupts enabled, which
caused surprisingly few problems...

But, yeah, it seems like it could be a problem.

> - smp lock patching only ever changes a single byte (lock prefix) of
> a single instruction
> - kprobes only ever change a single byte
>
> For the immediate value patching it also cannot happen because
> you'll never modify multiple instructions and all immediate values
> can be changed atomically. 
>   

Are misaligned/cross-cache-line updates atomic?

    J

  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-19 20:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-19  9:05 new text patching for review Andi Kleen
2007-07-19 13:38 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-19 13:46   ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-19 17:35     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-19 21:14       ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-19 20:30         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2007-07-19 20:46           ` [patches] " Andi Kleen
2007-07-19 20:51             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-19 21:06               ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-19 21:08                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-19 23:53             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-08-20  0:55             ` Non atomic unaligned writes Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-08-20  5:03               ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-20 10:23               ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-19 23:51           ` new text patching for review Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-19 23:49         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-20  1:15           ` Zachary Amsden
2007-07-20  7:37             ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-20 15:17             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-21  6:19               ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-20  8:28           ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-20 14:36             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-20  0:37 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-07-20  8:23   ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-10 19:00 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-07-19 12:25 Jan Beulich
2007-07-19 12:41 ` Andi Kleen

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