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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Satyam Sharma <ssatyam@cse.iitk.ac.in>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/8] i386: bitops: Don't mark memory as clobbered unnecessarily
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:39:15 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46A5BAB3.2030503@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707241304410.1433@cselinux1.cse.iitk.ac.in>

Satyam Sharma wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Nick Piggin wrote:
> 
> 
>>>>[...]
>>>>
>>>>__test_and_change_bit is one that you could remove the memory clobber
>>>>from.
>>>
>>>Yes, for the atomic versions we don't care if we're asking gcc to
>>>generate trashy code (even though I'd have wanted to only disallow
>>>problematic optimizations -- ones involving the passed bit-string
>>>address -- there, and allow other memory references to be optimized
>>>as and how the compiler feels like it) because the atomic variants
>>>are slow anyway and we probably want to be extra-safe there.
>>>
>>>But for the non-atomic variants, it does make sense to remove the
>>>memory clobber (and the unneeded __asm__ __volatile__ that another
>>>patch did -- for the non-atomic variants, again).
>>
>>No. It has nothing to do with atomicity and all to do with ordering.
> 
> 
> The memory clobber, or the volatile asm? There's more than one variable
> here ... but still, I don't think either affects _ordering_ in any
> _direct_ way.

The clobber which you remove with this patch.


>>For example test_bit, clear_bit, set_bit, etc are all atomic but none
>>place any restrictions on ordering.
> 
> 
> In that case we need to update comments in include/asm-i386/bitops.h

Hmm... yeah it looks like they could be reordered. I think?


>>__test_and_change_bit has no restriction on ordering, so as long as
>>the correct operands are clobbered, a "memory" clobber to enforce a
>>compiler barrier is not needed.
> 
> 
> But why even for the other operations? Consider (current code of)
> test_and_set_bit():
> 
> static inline int test_and_set_bit(int nr, volatile unsigned long * addr)
> {
> 	int oldbit;
> 	__asm__ __volatile__( LOCK_PREFIX
> 		"btsl %2,%1\n\tsbbl %0,%0"
> 		:"=r" (oldbit),"+m" (ADDR)
> 		:"Ir" (nr) : "memory");
> 
> 	return oldbit;
> }
> 
> The only memory reference in there is to the passed address, it will
> be modified, yes, but that's been made obvious to gcc in the asm
> already. So why are we marking all of memory as clobbered, is the
> question. (I just read Jeremy's latest reply, but I don't see how
> or why the memory clobber helps that case either -- does a memory
> clobber affect how gcc would order / reorder code?)

Of course, because then the compiler can't assume anything about
the contents of memory after the operation.

   #define barrier() __asm__ __volatile__("": : :"memory")

A memory clobber is equivalent to a compiler barrier.

-- 
SUSE Labs, Novell Inc.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-24  8:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-23 16:05 [PATCH 0/8] i386: bitops: Cleanup, sanitize, optimize Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:05 ` [PATCH 1/8] i386: bitops: Update/correct comments Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:05 ` [PATCH 2/8] i386: bitops: Rectify bogus "Ir" constraints Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:10   ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 16:21     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:30       ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 16:36         ` Jan Hubicka
2007-07-23 18:05         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-23 18:28           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-23 17:57   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-23 18:14     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 18:32       ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 18:39     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-23 18:52       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:05 ` [PATCH 3/8] i386: bitops: Rectify bogus "+m" constraints Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:37   ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 17:15     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 17:46   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24  9:22     ` David Howells
2007-07-23 16:05 ` [PATCH 4/8] i386: bitops: Kill volatile-casting of memory addresses Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 17:52   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24  4:19     ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24  6:23       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-24  7:16         ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24  9:49     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-24 17:20       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 17:39         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-25  4:54         ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-23 16:05 ` [PATCH 5/8] i386: bitops: Contain warnings fallout from the death of volatiles Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:05 ` [PATCH 6/8] i386: bitops: Don't mark memory as clobbered unnecessarily Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:13   ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 16:26     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:33       ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 17:12         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 17:49           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-23 17:55   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24  9:52     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-24 17:24       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 17:42         ` Trond Myklebust
2007-07-24 18:13           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 18:28             ` Trond Myklebust
2007-07-24 21:37             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-24 21:55               ` Trond Myklebust
2007-07-24 22:32                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-25  4:10                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24 21:36         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-24  3:57   ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24  6:38     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-24  7:24       ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24  8:29         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-24  8:39           ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2007-07-24  8:38         ` Trent Piepho
2007-07-24 19:39           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 20:37             ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-24 20:08               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 21:31                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-24 21:46                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-26  1:07             ` Trent Piepho
2007-07-26  1:18               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-26  1:22                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24  9:44       ` David Howells
2007-07-24 10:02         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:06 ` [PATCH 7/8] i386: bitops: Kill needless usage of __asm__ __volatile__ Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:18   ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 16:22     ` [PATCH 7/8] i386: bitops: Kill needless usage of __asm__ __volatile__ II Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 16:32     ` [PATCH 7/8] i386: bitops: Kill needless usage of __asm__ __volatile__ Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:23   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-23 16:43     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 17:39       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-23 18:07         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 18:28           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-23 20:29             ` Trent Piepho
2007-07-23 20:40               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-23 21:06                 ` Trent Piepho
2007-07-23 21:30               ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 21:48                 ` Nicholas Miell
2007-07-23 16:06 ` [PATCH 8/8] i386: bitops: smp_mb__{before, after}_clear_bit() definitions Satyam Sharma
2007-07-24  3:53   ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24  7:34     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-24  7:48       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-24  8:31         ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24  8:20       ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24  9:21         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-24 10:25           ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24 11:10             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-24 11:32               ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24 11:45                 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-24 12:01                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24 17:12                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 19:01                     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-30 17:57 ` [PATCH 0/8] i386: bitops: Cleanup, sanitize, optimize Denis Vlasenko
2007-07-31  1:07   ` Satyam Sharma

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