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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Satyam Sharma <ssatyam@cse.iitk.ac.in>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 8/8] i386: bitops: smp_mb__{before, after}_clear_bit() definitions
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:01:34 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46A5EA1E.7000008@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707241708350.1433@cselinux1.cse.iitk.ac.in>

Satyam Sharma wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Nick Piggin wrote:

>>>>Are you saying that it is OK for the store to var to
>>>>be reordered below the clear_bit? If not, what are you
>>>>saying?
>>>
>>>
>>>I might be making a radical turn-around here, but all of a
>>>sudden I think it's actually a good idea to put a complete
>>>memory clobber in set_bit/clear_bit and friends themselves,
>>>and leave the "__" variants as they are.
>>
>>Why?
> 
> 
> Well, why not. Callers who don't want/need any guarantees whatsoever
> can still use __foo() -- for others, it makes sense to just use
> foo() and get *both* the compiler and CPU barrier semantics -- I think
> that's the behaviour most callers would want anyway.

Firstly, __foo() is non-atomic, secondly set_bit/clear_bit/etc do not
provide any CPU or compiler semantics.

It was set up this way because other CPU ISAs don't couple atomicity
with memory ordering, and with many implementations of those, the cost
to order memory is quite high.

-- 
SUSE Labs, Novell Inc.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-24 12:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-23 16:05 [PATCH 0/8] i386: bitops: Cleanup, sanitize, optimize Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:05 ` [PATCH 1/8] i386: bitops: Update/correct comments Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:05 ` [PATCH 2/8] i386: bitops: Rectify bogus "Ir" constraints Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:10   ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 16:21     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:30       ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 16:36         ` Jan Hubicka
2007-07-23 18:05         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-23 18:28           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-23 17:57   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-23 18:14     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 18:32       ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 18:39     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-23 18:52       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:05 ` [PATCH 3/8] i386: bitops: Rectify bogus "+m" constraints Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:37   ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 17:15     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 17:46   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24  9:22     ` David Howells
2007-07-23 16:05 ` [PATCH 4/8] i386: bitops: Kill volatile-casting of memory addresses Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 17:52   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24  4:19     ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24  6:23       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-24  7:16         ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24  9:49     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-24 17:20       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 17:39         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-25  4:54         ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-23 16:05 ` [PATCH 5/8] i386: bitops: Contain warnings fallout from the death of volatiles Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:05 ` [PATCH 6/8] i386: bitops: Don't mark memory as clobbered unnecessarily Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:13   ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 16:26     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:33       ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 17:12         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 17:49           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-23 17:55   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24  9:52     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-24 17:24       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 17:42         ` Trond Myklebust
2007-07-24 18:13           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 18:28             ` Trond Myklebust
2007-07-24 21:37             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-24 21:55               ` Trond Myklebust
2007-07-24 22:32                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-25  4:10                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24 21:36         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-24  3:57   ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24  6:38     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-24  7:24       ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24  8:29         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-24  8:39           ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24  8:38         ` Trent Piepho
2007-07-24 19:39           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 20:37             ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-24 20:08               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 21:31                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-24 21:46                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-26  1:07             ` Trent Piepho
2007-07-26  1:18               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-26  1:22                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24  9:44       ` David Howells
2007-07-24 10:02         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:06 ` [PATCH 7/8] i386: bitops: Kill needless usage of __asm__ __volatile__ Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:18   ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 16:22     ` [PATCH 7/8] i386: bitops: Kill needless usage of __asm__ __volatile__ II Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 16:32     ` [PATCH 7/8] i386: bitops: Kill needless usage of __asm__ __volatile__ Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:23   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-23 16:43     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 17:39       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-23 18:07         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 18:28           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-23 20:29             ` Trent Piepho
2007-07-23 20:40               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-23 21:06                 ` Trent Piepho
2007-07-23 21:30               ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 21:48                 ` Nicholas Miell
2007-07-23 16:06 ` [PATCH 8/8] i386: bitops: smp_mb__{before, after}_clear_bit() definitions Satyam Sharma
2007-07-24  3:53   ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24  7:34     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-24  7:48       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-24  8:31         ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24  8:20       ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24  9:21         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-24 10:25           ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24 11:10             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-24 11:32               ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24 11:45                 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-24 12:01                   ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2007-07-24 17:12                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 19:01                     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-30 17:57 ` [PATCH 0/8] i386: bitops: Cleanup, sanitize, optimize Denis Vlasenko
2007-07-31  1:07   ` Satyam Sharma

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