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From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Bjorn Helgaas <bjorn.helgaas@hp.com>
Cc: "Maciej W. Rozycki" <macro@linux-mips.org>,
	"Sébastien Dugué" <sebastien.dugue@bull.net>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: commit 7e92b4fc34 - x86, serial: convert legacy COM ports to platform devices - broke my serial console
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:05:49 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46A669AD.6070803@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200707241456.35769.bjorn.helgaas@hp.com>

Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> Keith Owens did report an issue with the double probe, but I confess
> I don't fully understand it.

heh, ok...


> The real problem was that the serial driver claimed a non-serial
> device.  On many laptops, there's an IR device at 0x3e8, IRQ 3.
> The serial driver claimed this as ttyS2, using IRQ 4.  So if you
> wanted to use the IR device, you had to either:
> 
>   - use setserial to make the serial driver forget about ttyS2
>     so an IR driver could claim it, or
> 
>   - use setserial to change the IRQ to 3 and just use the device
>     in SIR mode, which is 16550-compatible so you can use the
>     serial driver
> 
> I didn't express that very clearly in the changelog.

That cannot be a justification for breaking serial port probe that has 
been working for 10+ years.

The VAST MAJORITY of computers, all told, have one or more serial ports 
in the expected places.  We must consider the majority first, then 
tackle edge cases like weirdo laptops that can be detected by other means.

Now that we have established the double-probe problem as potentially 
bogus, and not investigated at all, we are left with:

You changed legacy serial probing, affecting millions of computers, due 
to a few machines with unusual IR configurations.

At this point the "revert! revert!" submarine alarm is sounding quite 
loudly.  You can fix IR without breaking legacy serial.

	Jeff



  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-24 21:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-24 14:28 commit 7e92b4fc34 - x86, serial: convert legacy COM ports to platform devices - broke my serial console Sébastien Dugué
2007-07-24 15:48 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-07-24 17:49   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-24 18:09     ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24 19:07       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-24 18:17     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2007-07-24 19:53       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-07-24 20:13         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-24 20:33           ` Yinghai Lu
2007-07-25  2:34             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-07-25  4:27               ` Yinghai Lu
2007-07-25 12:55                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-07-25 15:57                   ` Yinghai Lu
2007-07-25 16:11                     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-07-25 16:45                       ` Yinghai Lu
2007-07-24 20:34           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-07-24 20:40             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-24 20:56               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-07-24 21:05                 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2007-07-24 22:07                   ` Alan Cox
     [not found]                     ` <p73ir88sax1.fsf@bingen.suse.de>
2007-07-25 15:48                       ` Alan Cox
2007-07-25 16:06                         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-07-25 16:47                           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-25 17:34                             ` Alan Cox
2007-07-25 17:38                           ` Alan Cox
2007-07-24 22:06                 ` Alan Cox
2007-07-25  7:45   ` Sébastien Dugué
2007-07-25 13:16     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-07-25 13:32       ` Sébastien Dugué
2007-07-25 13:38         ` Sébastien Dugué
2007-07-25 22:41         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-07-26  0:37           ` Yinghai Lu
2007-07-26  1:35             ` Yinghai Lu
2007-07-26  2:21             ` Shaohua Li
2007-07-26  3:33               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-07-27 18:16               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-07-27 18:38                 ` Yinghai Lu
2007-07-27 18:56                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-07-27 20:35                     ` Yinghai Lu
2007-07-27 20:58                       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-07-27 21:05                         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-27 21:53                           ` Kay Sievers
2007-07-29 17:21                           ` Kyle Moffett
2007-07-29 18:03                 ` Russell King
2007-07-26  8:08           ` Sébastien Dugué
2007-07-25 15:51       ` Yinghai Lu
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-07-22 21:04 Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Linus Torvalds
2007-07-23 18:38 ` 2.6.23-rc1: BUG_ON in kmap_atomic_prot() Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 19:01   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 20:24     ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-23 20:40       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 21:01         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 21:11           ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-23 21:28             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 17:59               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-24 18:14                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-26  6:09                   ` commit 7e92b4fc34 - x86, serial: convert legacy COM ports to platform devices - broke my serial console H. Peter Anvin

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