From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1765328AbXGYH6e (ORCPT ); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 03:58:34 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754940AbXGYH6Z (ORCPT ); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 03:58:25 -0400 Received: from smtp101.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.85.211]:39649 "HELO smtp101.mail.mud.yahoo.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1753662AbXGYH6Y (ORCPT ); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 03:58:24 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:X-Accept-Language:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=scv3K8oypKiN67ejdKLaOFwwb3bBy2c5C7LTDGDw9vkvU7kvytvaiLER84sD9myxGCGXjZn94zgYQzT444HnEN9lDugEExtsQ5EtPCPGmapvI2FLwUcxEmi58U1G7G4ui8EgN+Gy88bVqEyDCzV+yKf8gpe08ICpEUdOJ3BcU/g= ; X-YMail-OSG: 18iuSJsVM1lZ3cq7zHT5ZV0lyiZCIk_adUi144U9DkaQXFK9Qv0fx9dekEkEvJ1HXmnEJhrtjg-- Message-ID: <46A70299.50809@yahoo.com.au> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:58:17 +1000 From: Nick Piggin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051007 Debian/1.7.12-1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ingo Molnar CC: david@lang.hm, Eric St-Laurent , Rene Herman , Ray Lee , Jesper Juhl , Andrew Morton , ck list , Paul Jackson , linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23 References: <46A58B49.3050508@yahoo.com.au> <2c0942db0707240915h56e007e3l9110e24a065f2e73@mail.gmail.com> <46A6CC56.6040307@yahoo.com.au> <46A6D7D2.4050708@gmail.com> <1185341449.7105.53.camel@perkele> <46A6E1A1.4010508@yahoo.com.au> <46A6E80B.6030704@yahoo.com.au> <46A6FAD8.6050107@yahoo.com.au> <20070725074931.GA5125@elte.hu> In-Reply-To: <20070725074931.GA5125@elte.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Ingo Molnar wrote: > * Nick Piggin wrote: > > >>And yet despite my repeated pleas, none of those people has yet spent >>a bit of time with me to help analyse what is happening. > > > btw., it might help to give specific, precise instructions about what > people should do to help you analyze this problem. Ray has been the first one to offer (thank you), and yes I have asked him for precise details of info to collect to hopefully work out what is happening with his first problem. For the general "it feels better for me" it is harder, but not as hard as CPU scheduler. We can measure various types of IO waits, swap in/out events, swap prefetch events and successfulness; see what happens to those as we change swappiness or vfs_cache_pressure etc. -- SUSE Labs, Novell Inc.