From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S933891AbXG0Nc4 (ORCPT ); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:32:56 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1755935AbXG0Ncp (ORCPT ); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:32:45 -0400 Received: from mail.phnxsoft.com ([195.227.45.4]:4645 "EHLO posthamster.phnxsoft.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1765946AbXG0Nch (ORCPT ); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:32:37 -0400 Message-ID: <46A9F3DA.2090203@imap.cc> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:32:10 +0200 From: Tilman Schmidt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de-AT; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070509 SeaMonkey/1.1.2 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rene Herman CC: Mike Galbraith , Jesper Juhl , Andika Triwidada , Robert Deaton , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ck list , linux-mm@kvack.org, B.Steinbrink@gmx.de, Andrew Morton Subject: Re: updatedb References: <367a23780707250830i20a04a60n690e8da5630d39a9@mail.gmail.com> <46A773EA.5030103@gmail.com> <46A81C39.4050009@gmail.com> <7e0bae390707252323k2552c701x5673c55ff2cf119e@mail.gmail.com> <9a8748490707261746p638e4a98p3cdb7d9912af068a@mail.gmail.com> <46A98A14.3040300@gmail.com> <1185522844.6295.64.camel@Homer.simpson.net> <46A9ACB2.9030302@gmail.com> <1185528368.7851.44.camel@Homer.simpson.net> <46A9D26E.9010703@gmail.com> <1185536880.8978.34.camel@Homer.simpson.net> <46A9E4FC.80403@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <46A9E4FC.80403@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig57656030EDDE835AF478E4E6" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig57656030EDDE835AF478E4E6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rene Herman schrieb: > On 07/27/2007 01:48 PM, Mike Galbraith wrote: >=20 >> I believe the users who say their apps really do get paged back in >> though, so suspect that's not the case. >=20 > Stopping the bush-circumference beating, I do not. -ck (and gentoo) hav= e=20 > this massive Calimero thing going among their users where people are mu= ch=20 > less interested in technology than in how the nasty big kernel meanies = are=20 > keeping them down (*). I think the problem is elsewhere. Users don't say: "My apps get paged back in." They say: "My system is more responsive". They really don't care *why* the reaction to a mouse click that takes three seconds with a mainline kernel is instantaneous with -ck. Nasty big kernel meanies, OTOH, want to understand *why* a patch helps in order to decide whether it is really a good idea to merge it. So you've got a bunch of patches (aka -ck) which visibly improve the overall responsiveness of a desktop system, but apparently no one can conclusively explain why or how they achieve that, and therefore they cannot be merged into mainline. I don't have a solution to that dilemma either. --=20 Tilman Schmidt E-Mail: tilman@imap.cc Bonn, Germany Diese Nachricht besteht zu 100% aus wiederverwerteten Bits. Unge=F6ffnet mindestens haltbar bis: (siehe R=FCckseite) --------------enig57656030EDDE835AF478E4E6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGqfPjMdB4Whm86/kRAsblAJ9UaxX+tApYsxEJui6A4QFvZ8AXeACfdhB5 Yj6CyRC0P4nqzC3+cW0K1k0= =mEA1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig57656030EDDE835AF478E4E6--