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From: Robert Hancock <hancockr@shaw.ca>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: arjan@infradead.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	matthew@wil.cx, mingo@elte.hu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: IRQF_DISABLED problem
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 09:41:04 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46ACB510.5060700@shaw.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fa./08N/HtpJQ6zg8Xc1K5pP6/aKMM@ifi.uio.no>

David Miller wrote:
> From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:11:56 -0700
> 
>> On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 16:17 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>>> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>>>>  (c) "one IRQF_DISABLED means that everything runs disabled". This is 
>>>>      quite possibly buggy.
>>> (Side note: I'm not claiming this (or it's mirror image (d)) is really any 
>>> better/worse than the current behaviour from a theoretical standpoint, but 
>>> at least the current behaviour is _tested_, which makes it better in 
>>> practice. So if we want to change this, I think we want to change it to 
>>> something that is _obviously_ better).
>> my personal preference would actually be to just never enable
>> interrupts. It's the fastest solution obviously, the most friendly on
>> stack and.. well simplest. Drivers no longer need to play some of the
>> games that they do today. And while there is an argument that this may
>> introduce a bit of latency... I'm not really convinced.
> 
> If you have a "chirpy" serial controller with only a 1 byte
> fifo, even a quite reasonable interrupt handler can cause
> receive characters to get lost if you disable interrupts during
> the entirety of it's execution.
> 
> It really is needed.
> 
> And it's just plain rude to disable interrupts when it isn't
> absolutely necessary.

Does anyone really use those serial controllers with no FIFO anymore? 
They've never been reliable for remotely high speeds..

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Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <fa.mb8woD3e5JnT1x6AgEMOmnlVvg0@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.axY2ukp7kqKVMAidyu4NVN81MbI@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.tS+LCGnYgeCNRIaF90yH21XBCqI@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]     ` <fa./08N/HtpJQ6zg8Xc1K5pP6/aKMM@ifi.uio.no>
2007-07-29 15:41       ` Robert Hancock [this message]
2007-08-02 15:40         ` IRQF_DISABLED problem Mark Lord
2007-07-26 20:13 Matthew Wilcox
2007-07-26 20:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-26 22:23 ` David Miller
2007-07-26 23:04   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-26 23:14     ` David Miller
2007-07-26 23:17     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-27 20:11       ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-07-27 20:50         ` David Miller

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