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From: Carlo Florendo <subscribermail@gmail.com>
To: Martin Steigerwald <Martin@lichtvoll.de>
Cc: ck@vds.kolivas.org, Satyam Sharma <satyam@infradead.org>,
	Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@computergmbh.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, lkml@metanurb.dk
Subject: Re: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:15:17 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46AE8D25.20602@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200707292118.45484.Martin@lichtvoll.de>

Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> The current kernel development process tries to pretend that there is no 
> human involvement. Which is plain inaccurate: It is *all* human 
> involvement, without a human not a single bit of kernel code would 
> change.

IMHO, the above statements are all plain conjectures. How could you assert 
that the kernel development process is without human development?

If you've followed the list for a while, you'd realize that the list is 
very human.  The fact that flames fly and abound, and the fact that 
individual persons tend to be very strong with respect to their opinions 
indicate that there is a rather high level of human dealings that happen on 
the list.

And I think you are digressing from the main issue, which is the empirical 
comparison of SD vs. CFS and to determine which is best.   The root of all 
the scheduler fuss was the emotional reaction of SD's author on why his 
scheduler began to be compared with CFS.

We obviously all saw how the particular authors tried to address the 
issues.  Ingo tried to address all concerns while Con simply ranted about 
his scheduler being better.  If this is what you think about being a bit 
more human, then I think that this has no place in the lkml.

We've all heard the "show me the numbers" argument, and as far as I can 
see, CFS now fairs much better than SD.

That's the issue.  The best one will emerge to be at the top.  From several 
months of tests and improvements, it seems CFS is emerging to be the better 
scheduler.

Best Regards,

Carlo

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-31  1:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 227+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-22 21:04 Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Linus Torvalds
2007-07-22 22:10 ` Andre Noll
2007-07-22 22:22   ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-22 23:23     ` Andre Noll
2007-07-22 23:31       ` Andi Kleen
     [not found]         ` <20070722233840.GJ30660@skl-net.de>
2007-07-22 23:56           ` vdso.so mislinked by buggy linker was " Andi Kleen
2007-07-23  6:03             ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-07-23  8:02               ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 12:45             ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-07-23 14:44               ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23  6:07         ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-07-22 23:33 ` Alistair John Strachan
2007-07-22 23:51   ` Roland McGrath
2007-07-23  0:07     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-23  0:31       ` Roland McGrath
2007-07-23  1:43         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-23  1:20 ` Gabriel C
2007-07-23  1:23 ` Paul Mundt
2007-07-23  1:27   ` Gabriel C
2007-07-23  1:40     ` Paul Mundt
2007-07-23  4:11   ` Greg KH
2007-07-23  2:48 ` Gabriel C
2007-07-23  7:14 ` alpha, i386,mips,powerpc,ppc,xtensa compile brakage (was Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1) Jan Dittmer
2007-07-23  7:56   ` Stephen Rothwell
2007-07-23 13:57   ` Josh Boyer
2007-07-23 14:02     ` Gabriel C
2007-07-23  9:50 ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1: ACPI-related oops on x86_64 Mel Gorman
2007-07-23 17:15   ` Len Brown
2007-07-24 10:37     ` Mel Gorman
     [not found] ` <46A40BC7.9030209@googlemail.com>
2007-07-23  2:42   ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Gabriel C
2007-07-23 15:47   ` Bob Picco
2007-07-23 15:54     ` Luck, Tony
2007-07-23 15:52 ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1, xen fix Ingo Molnar
2007-07-23 16:43 ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Gabriel C
2007-07-23 16:57   ` Ismail Dönmez
2007-07-23 20:44     ` Alessandro Suardi
2007-07-24 14:49       ` Len Brown
2007-07-23 18:38 ` 2.6.23-rc1: BUG_ON in kmap_atomic_prot() Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 19:01   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 20:24     ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-23 20:40       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 21:01         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 21:11           ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-23 21:28             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-23 21:37               ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-07-24 17:59               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-24 18:14                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 18:28                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24 19:15                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 19:40                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-24 19:48                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-26 18:07                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-26 18:19                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 20:27                       ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-24 19:45                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-26  6:09                   ` commit 7e92b4fc34 - x86, serial: convert legacy COM ports to platform devices - broke my serial console H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-23 22:04             ` 2.6.23-rc1: BUG_ON in kmap_atomic_prot() Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 22:27               ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24  5:20                 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-24  8:17                 ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-24  8:22                   ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-24  8:34                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24 14:00                       ` Dan Williams
2007-07-24 13:55                     ` Dan Williams
2007-07-24 10:01       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-24 10:37         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-24 16:28         ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24 18:25           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 20:05             ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-25 17:44               ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2007-07-25  5:09             ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27 11:43 ` SD still better than CFS for 3d \b(was Re: 2.6.23-rc1) Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-29 17:06   ` SD still better than CFS for 3d ?(was " Ingo Molnar
     [not found]     ` <930f95dc0707291154j102494d9m58f4cc452c7ff17c@mail.gmail.com>
2007-07-29 20:47       ` [ck] " Ingo Molnar
     [not found]         ` <930f95dc0707291431j4e50214di3c01cd44b5597502@mail.gmail.com>
2007-07-30  1:20           ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-30 11:46           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 16:04             ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-07-30 18:38               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 21:05                 ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-07-31 16:36                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 16:19             ` david
2007-07-30 19:01               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 19:03                 ` david
2007-07-30 19:08                   ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]             ` <op.tv90xghwatcbto@linux.site>
     [not found]               ` <d3380cee0707300831m33d896aufcbdb188576940a2@mail.gmail.com>
2007-07-30 16:25                 ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-30 16:50                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-30 17:09                     ` Kyle Rose
2007-07-30 16:50                   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-07-30 16:58                     ` Rashkae
2007-07-30 17:51                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-07-30 18:29                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-30 19:53                     ` [ck] Re: SD still better than CFS for 3d ? Roland Dreier
2007-07-30 21:26                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-31  3:07                       ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31  7:01                         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-07-31 12:13                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-08-01  5:25                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-08-01  6:19                           ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-08-01  7:50                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-30 17:54             ` [ck] Re: SD still better than CFS for 3d ?(was Re: 2.6.23-rc1) Kenneth Prugh
2007-07-30 19:10               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 21:24                 ` Kenneth Prugh
2007-07-30 21:34                   ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-07-30 22:45                     ` Kenneth Prugh
2007-07-31  9:45                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31 13:16                     ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31 13:32                       ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-07-31 14:09                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31 15:57                         ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31 16:23                           ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-07-31 17:02                             ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31 14:18                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31 16:14                         ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31 16:45                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 23:46     ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-31  6:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-31  8:57         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31  9:11           ` Alan Cox
2007-07-31  9:13             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31  9:19               ` Avi Kivity
2007-07-31  9:44                 ` Alan Cox
2007-08-01 23:43           ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-08-02 12:10             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-02 15:42               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-08 14:38                 ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-08-03  6:31               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-02  2:35           ` Lee Revell
2007-08-02 11:45             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-02 13:39               ` Trond Myklebust
2007-08-02 13:03             ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]       ` <op.twbll7ugatcbto@linux.site>
2007-07-31  8:32         ` [ck] " Ingo Molnar
2007-07-28  2:04 ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-28  2:35   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28  7:09     ` [ck] " Grzegorz Kulewski
     [not found]       ` <954c7c800707280045t4607cebfj532ef025a7a57c05@mail.gmail.com>
2007-07-28 17:12         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 17:33           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-28 18:05             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 20:51               ` Diego Calleja
2007-07-28 20:59                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-29  5:04                   ` Roland Dreier
2007-07-28 21:09                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 22:16                   ` Alex Besogonov
2007-07-29  9:37                   ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29  9:04               ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29 10:28                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-07-29 10:56                   ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29 17:42                     ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-07-29 18:23                       ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29 18:54                         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-29 19:18                           ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-31  1:15                             ` Carlo Florendo [this message]
2007-07-31  9:57                               ` Bill Huey
2007-07-31 12:00                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-01  2:54                                 ` Carlo Florendo
2007-07-29 20:24                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-29 19:25                         ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-07-29  8:42           ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29  9:25           ` Tomas Carnecky
2007-07-28  7:36     ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-28 10:40       ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-28 16:10         ` Reporting bugs (was Re: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1) Stefan Richter
2007-07-28 16:21           ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-07-28  9:44     ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-28 17:50       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 18:07         ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-28 19:13         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-28 19:34           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 21:33             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 21:55               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-28 22:22                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-01  9:21             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-28 10:05     ` [ck] " Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-28 11:06       ` Dirk Schoebel
2007-07-28 13:18     ` Michael Chang
2007-07-28 17:25       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 18:03         ` jos poortvliet
2007-07-28 18:28           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 19:28             ` jos poortvliet
2007-07-28 20:07               ` Bill Huey
2007-07-28 21:06                 ` Diego Calleja
2007-07-28 21:32                   ` Bill Huey
2007-07-28 22:18                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-29  1:00                       ` Bill Huey
2007-07-29 14:31                         ` Diego Calleja
2007-07-29 18:31                           ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29 20:25                           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-29 21:48                             ` Bill Huey
2007-07-30  5:03                               ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-07  6:55                   ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-07 15:33                     ` Alan Cox
2007-07-28 20:31               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-29  0:03                 ` Con Kolivas
2007-07-29  1:23                   ` Charles philip Chan
2007-08-01  4:17                 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01  5:46                   ` Carlo Florendo
2007-08-01  6:16                     ` Hua Zhong
2007-08-01  7:05                       ` [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter who's code gets merged! Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-01  7:12                         ` Carlo Florendo
2007-08-01  8:14                         ` jos
2007-08-01 14:02                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-01 18:40                             ` Hua Zhong
2007-08-01 22:04                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-02 15:22                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-08-02 20:03                         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-08-02 20:05                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-02 20:33                             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-08-04  8:04                           ` [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter whose " Daniel Phillips
2007-08-01  7:09                       ` [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Carlo Florendo
2007-08-01 12:31                       ` Alan Cox
2007-07-28 21:07     ` Jory A. Pratt
2007-07-29 15:04   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-29 23:04     ` George Sescher
2007-07-29 23:18       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-29 23:38         ` George Sescher
2007-07-29 23:58           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-30  5:12         ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31 10:05         ` Bill Huey
2007-07-31 14:04           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31 15:44           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-30  6:44       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30  7:06         ` George Sescher
2007-07-30  7:55           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30  9:26             ` George Sescher
2007-07-30 10:26               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 16:13     ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-28 14:52 ` Ronni Nielsen
2007-07-28 17:30   ` Linus Torvalds

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