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From: Carlo Florendo <subscribermail@gmail.com>
To: "Bill Huey (hui)" <billh@gnuppy.monkey.org>
Cc: Martin Steigerwald <Martin@lichtvoll.de>,
	ck@vds.kolivas.org, Satyam Sharma <satyam@infradead.org>,
	Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@computergmbh.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 10:54:45 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46AFF5F5.2090100@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070731095723.GH32582@gnuppy.monkey.org>

Bill Huey (hui) wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 09:15:17AM +0800, Carlo Florendo wrote:
>> And I think you are digressing from the main issue, which is the empirical 
>> comparison of SD vs. CFS and to determine which is best.   The root of all 
>> the scheduler fuss was the emotional reaction of SD's author on why his 
>> scheduler began to be compared with CFS.
> 
> Legitimate emotional reaction for being locked out of the development
> process. There's a very human aspect to this, yes, a negative human
> aspect that pervade Linux kernel development and is overly defensive and
> protective of new ideas.

Yes, the reaction was legitimate but it could have been better.  It would 
have benefited everyone if instead of posting rants, numbers and patches or 
suggested solutions were posted.  Up until today, some posters that 
complain on how CFS fairs worse than SD simply post reports that say:

"I use this system in this way and it does not fair well with cfs!"

Look at this one for example:

http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/7/31/199

It looks technical but it isn't.

The author simply stated that he built his own lightweight Linux box that 
specializes in audio but there has not been any technical characteristic of 
the problem.  We don't even know the audio libraries he's using but simply 
claimed that he wrote his own.

The report, if I were the one to debug it, is completely useless since it 
does not even give some reproducability hints nor technical characteristics 
of the system.

This is what some of the SD fan-boys do.  Rant.

Thank you very much.

Best Regards,

Carlo

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-08-01  2:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 227+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-22 21:04 Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Linus Torvalds
2007-07-22 22:10 ` Andre Noll
2007-07-22 22:22   ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-22 23:23     ` Andre Noll
2007-07-22 23:31       ` Andi Kleen
     [not found]         ` <20070722233840.GJ30660@skl-net.de>
2007-07-22 23:56           ` vdso.so mislinked by buggy linker was " Andi Kleen
2007-07-23  6:03             ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-07-23  8:02               ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 12:45             ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-07-23 14:44               ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23  6:07         ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-07-22 23:33 ` Alistair John Strachan
2007-07-22 23:51   ` Roland McGrath
2007-07-23  0:07     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-23  0:31       ` Roland McGrath
2007-07-23  1:43         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-23  1:20 ` Gabriel C
2007-07-23  1:23 ` Paul Mundt
2007-07-23  1:27   ` Gabriel C
2007-07-23  1:40     ` Paul Mundt
2007-07-23  4:11   ` Greg KH
     [not found] ` <46A40BC7.9030209@googlemail.com>
2007-07-23  2:42   ` Gabriel C
2007-07-23 15:47   ` Bob Picco
2007-07-23 15:54     ` Luck, Tony
2007-07-23  2:48 ` Gabriel C
2007-07-23  7:14 ` alpha, i386,mips,powerpc,ppc,xtensa compile brakage (was Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1) Jan Dittmer
2007-07-23  7:56   ` Stephen Rothwell
2007-07-23 13:57   ` Josh Boyer
2007-07-23 14:02     ` Gabriel C
2007-07-23  9:50 ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1: ACPI-related oops on x86_64 Mel Gorman
2007-07-23 17:15   ` Len Brown
2007-07-24 10:37     ` Mel Gorman
2007-07-23 15:52 ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1, xen fix Ingo Molnar
2007-07-23 16:43 ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Gabriel C
2007-07-23 16:57   ` Ismail Dönmez
2007-07-23 20:44     ` Alessandro Suardi
2007-07-24 14:49       ` Len Brown
2007-07-23 18:38 ` 2.6.23-rc1: BUG_ON in kmap_atomic_prot() Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 19:01   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 20:24     ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-23 20:40       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 21:01         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 21:11           ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-23 21:28             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-23 21:37               ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-07-24 17:59               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-24 18:14                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 18:28                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24 19:15                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 19:40                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-24 19:48                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-26 18:07                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-26 18:19                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 20:27                       ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-24 19:45                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-26  6:09                   ` commit 7e92b4fc34 - x86, serial: convert legacy COM ports to platform devices - broke my serial console H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-23 22:04             ` 2.6.23-rc1: BUG_ON in kmap_atomic_prot() Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 22:27               ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24  5:20                 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-24  8:17                 ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-24  8:22                   ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-24  8:34                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24 14:00                       ` Dan Williams
2007-07-24 13:55                     ` Dan Williams
2007-07-24 10:01       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-24 10:37         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-24 16:28         ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24 18:25           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 20:05             ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-25 17:44               ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2007-07-25  5:09             ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27 11:43 ` SD still better than CFS for 3d \b(was Re: 2.6.23-rc1) Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-29 17:06   ` SD still better than CFS for 3d ?(was " Ingo Molnar
     [not found]     ` <930f95dc0707291154j102494d9m58f4cc452c7ff17c@mail.gmail.com>
2007-07-29 20:47       ` [ck] " Ingo Molnar
     [not found]         ` <930f95dc0707291431j4e50214di3c01cd44b5597502@mail.gmail.com>
2007-07-30  1:20           ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-30 11:46           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 16:04             ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-07-30 18:38               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 21:05                 ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-07-31 16:36                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 16:19             ` david
2007-07-30 19:01               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 19:03                 ` david
2007-07-30 19:08                   ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]             ` <op.tv90xghwatcbto@linux.site>
     [not found]               ` <d3380cee0707300831m33d896aufcbdb188576940a2@mail.gmail.com>
2007-07-30 16:25                 ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-30 16:50                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-30 17:09                     ` Kyle Rose
2007-07-30 16:50                   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-07-30 16:58                     ` Rashkae
2007-07-30 17:51                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-07-30 18:29                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-30 19:53                     ` [ck] Re: SD still better than CFS for 3d ? Roland Dreier
2007-07-30 21:26                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-31  3:07                       ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31  7:01                         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-07-31 12:13                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-08-01  5:25                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-08-01  6:19                           ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-08-01  7:50                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-30 17:54             ` [ck] Re: SD still better than CFS for 3d ?(was Re: 2.6.23-rc1) Kenneth Prugh
2007-07-30 19:10               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 21:24                 ` Kenneth Prugh
2007-07-30 21:34                   ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-07-30 22:45                     ` Kenneth Prugh
2007-07-31  9:45                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31 13:16                     ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31 13:32                       ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-07-31 14:09                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31 15:57                         ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31 16:23                           ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-07-31 17:02                             ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31 14:18                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31 16:14                         ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31 16:45                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 23:46     ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-31  6:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-31  8:57         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31  9:11           ` Alan Cox
2007-07-31  9:13             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31  9:19               ` Avi Kivity
2007-07-31  9:44                 ` Alan Cox
2007-08-01 23:43           ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-08-02 12:10             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-02 15:42               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-08 14:38                 ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-08-03  6:31               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-02  2:35           ` Lee Revell
2007-08-02 11:45             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-02 13:39               ` Trond Myklebust
2007-08-02 13:03             ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]       ` <op.twbll7ugatcbto@linux.site>
2007-07-31  8:32         ` [ck] " Ingo Molnar
2007-07-28  2:04 ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-28  2:35   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28  7:09     ` [ck] " Grzegorz Kulewski
     [not found]       ` <954c7c800707280045t4607cebfj532ef025a7a57c05@mail.gmail.com>
2007-07-28 17:12         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 17:33           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-28 18:05             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 20:51               ` Diego Calleja
2007-07-28 20:59                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-29  5:04                   ` Roland Dreier
2007-07-28 21:09                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 22:16                   ` Alex Besogonov
2007-07-29  9:37                   ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29  9:04               ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29 10:28                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-07-29 10:56                   ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29 17:42                     ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-07-29 18:23                       ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29 18:54                         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-29 19:18                           ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-31  1:15                             ` Carlo Florendo
2007-07-31  9:57                               ` Bill Huey
2007-07-31 12:00                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-01  2:54                                 ` Carlo Florendo [this message]
2007-07-29 20:24                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-29 19:25                         ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-07-29  8:42           ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29  9:25           ` Tomas Carnecky
2007-07-28  7:36     ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-28 10:40       ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-28 16:10         ` Reporting bugs (was Re: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1) Stefan Richter
2007-07-28 16:21           ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-07-28  9:44     ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-28 17:50       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 18:07         ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-28 19:13         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-28 19:34           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 21:33             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 21:55               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-28 22:22                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-01  9:21             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-28 10:05     ` [ck] " Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-28 11:06       ` Dirk Schoebel
2007-07-28 13:18     ` Michael Chang
2007-07-28 17:25       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 18:03         ` jos poortvliet
2007-07-28 18:28           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 19:28             ` jos poortvliet
2007-07-28 20:07               ` Bill Huey
2007-07-28 21:06                 ` Diego Calleja
2007-07-28 21:32                   ` Bill Huey
2007-07-28 22:18                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-29  1:00                       ` Bill Huey
2007-07-29 14:31                         ` Diego Calleja
2007-07-29 18:31                           ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29 20:25                           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-29 21:48                             ` Bill Huey
2007-07-30  5:03                               ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-07  6:55                   ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-07 15:33                     ` Alan Cox
2007-07-28 20:31               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-29  0:03                 ` Con Kolivas
2007-07-29  1:23                   ` Charles philip Chan
2007-08-01  4:17                 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01  5:46                   ` Carlo Florendo
2007-08-01  6:16                     ` Hua Zhong
2007-08-01  7:05                       ` [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter who's code gets merged! Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-01  7:12                         ` Carlo Florendo
2007-08-01  8:14                         ` jos
2007-08-01 14:02                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-01 18:40                             ` Hua Zhong
2007-08-01 22:04                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-02 15:22                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-08-02 20:03                         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-08-02 20:05                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-02 20:33                             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-08-04  8:04                           ` [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter whose " Daniel Phillips
2007-08-01  7:09                       ` [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Carlo Florendo
2007-08-01 12:31                       ` Alan Cox
2007-07-28 21:07     ` Jory A. Pratt
2007-07-29 15:04   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-29 23:04     ` George Sescher
2007-07-29 23:18       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-29 23:38         ` George Sescher
2007-07-29 23:58           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-30  5:12         ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31 10:05         ` Bill Huey
2007-07-31 14:04           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31 15:44           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-30  6:44       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30  7:06         ` George Sescher
2007-07-30  7:55           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30  9:26             ` George Sescher
2007-07-30 10:26               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 16:13     ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-28 14:52 ` Ronni Nielsen
2007-07-28 17:30   ` Linus Torvalds

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