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From: Carlo Florendo <subscribermail@gmail.com>
To: Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	jos poortvliet <jos@mijnkamer.nl>,
	ck@vds.kolivas.org, Michael Chang <thenewme91@gmail.com>,
	Kasper Sandberg <lkml@metanurb.dk>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:46:39 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46B01E3F.6050401@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708010539230.1818@scrub.home>

Roman Zippel wrote:
> When Ingo posted his rewrite http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/4/13/180, Con had 
> already pretty much lost. I have no doubt that Ingo can quickly transform 
> an idea into working code and I would've been very surprised if he 
> wouldn't be able to turn it into something technically superior. When Ingo 
> figured out how to implement fair scheduling in a better way, he didn't 
> use this idea to help Con to improve his work. He decided instead to 
> work against Con and started his own rewrite, this is of course his right 
> to do, but then he should also accept the responsibility that Con felt his 
> years of work ripped apart and in vain and we have now lost a developer 
> who tried to address things from a different perspective.

When Ingo wrote something that went head-on with what Con wrote, it was his 
prerogative to do so.  There's no speaking here of rights to do or not to 
do since as matter of evidence, in the open source world, that which is 
superior (i.e. code, function, not person) has the right to exist and the 
inferior to die away.  Did Ingo have the obligation to improve Con's work? 
  Definitely not.  Did Con have a right to get Ingo's improvements or 
suggestions? Definitely not.  There are no such rights in this open source 
development framework (TM).

What Ingo did, I think, was what he wanted and he has the right to do that. 
       I believe that Ingo does not have an obligation to be responsible 
for what Con felt.  You feel what you feel because you choose to feel that 
way. Let us remember that "Happiness is a choice, not a state."

And let's just look at the attitudes on how both Ingo and Con reacted to 
the issues regarding their respective schedulers.  I won't list them here 
now since they're all there in the archives.

Since attitude also plays a big part in getting your code in mainline, I 
think we would know the reason why one got chosen for the other.

Thank you very much.

Best Regards,

Carlo



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  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-01  5:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 227+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-22 21:04 Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Linus Torvalds
2007-07-22 22:10 ` Andre Noll
2007-07-22 22:22   ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-22 23:23     ` Andre Noll
2007-07-22 23:31       ` Andi Kleen
     [not found]         ` <20070722233840.GJ30660@skl-net.de>
2007-07-22 23:56           ` vdso.so mislinked by buggy linker was " Andi Kleen
2007-07-23  6:03             ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-07-23  8:02               ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 12:45             ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-07-23 14:44               ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23  6:07         ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-07-22 23:33 ` Alistair John Strachan
2007-07-22 23:51   ` Roland McGrath
2007-07-23  0:07     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-23  0:31       ` Roland McGrath
2007-07-23  1:43         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-23  1:20 ` Gabriel C
2007-07-23  1:23 ` Paul Mundt
2007-07-23  1:27   ` Gabriel C
2007-07-23  1:40     ` Paul Mundt
2007-07-23  4:11   ` Greg KH
     [not found] ` <46A40BC7.9030209@googlemail.com>
2007-07-23  2:42   ` Gabriel C
2007-07-23 15:47   ` Bob Picco
2007-07-23 15:54     ` Luck, Tony
2007-07-23  2:48 ` Gabriel C
2007-07-23  7:14 ` alpha, i386,mips,powerpc,ppc,xtensa compile brakage (was Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1) Jan Dittmer
2007-07-23  7:56   ` Stephen Rothwell
2007-07-23 13:57   ` Josh Boyer
2007-07-23 14:02     ` Gabriel C
2007-07-23  9:50 ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1: ACPI-related oops on x86_64 Mel Gorman
2007-07-23 17:15   ` Len Brown
2007-07-24 10:37     ` Mel Gorman
2007-07-23 15:52 ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1, xen fix Ingo Molnar
2007-07-23 16:43 ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Gabriel C
2007-07-23 16:57   ` Ismail Dönmez
2007-07-23 20:44     ` Alessandro Suardi
2007-07-24 14:49       ` Len Brown
2007-07-23 18:38 ` 2.6.23-rc1: BUG_ON in kmap_atomic_prot() Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 19:01   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 20:24     ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-23 20:40       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 21:01         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 21:11           ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-23 21:28             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-23 21:37               ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-07-24 17:59               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-24 18:14                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 18:28                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24 19:15                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 19:40                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-24 19:48                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-26 18:07                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-26 18:19                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 20:27                       ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-24 19:45                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-26  6:09                   ` commit 7e92b4fc34 - x86, serial: convert legacy COM ports to platform devices - broke my serial console H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-23 22:04             ` 2.6.23-rc1: BUG_ON in kmap_atomic_prot() Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 22:27               ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24  5:20                 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-24  8:17                 ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-24  8:22                   ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-24  8:34                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24 14:00                       ` Dan Williams
2007-07-24 13:55                     ` Dan Williams
2007-07-24 10:01       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-24 10:37         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-24 16:28         ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24 18:25           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 20:05             ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-25 17:44               ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2007-07-25  5:09             ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27 11:43 ` SD still better than CFS for 3d \b(was Re: 2.6.23-rc1) Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-29 17:06   ` SD still better than CFS for 3d ?(was " Ingo Molnar
     [not found]     ` <930f95dc0707291154j102494d9m58f4cc452c7ff17c@mail.gmail.com>
2007-07-29 20:47       ` [ck] " Ingo Molnar
     [not found]         ` <930f95dc0707291431j4e50214di3c01cd44b5597502@mail.gmail.com>
2007-07-30  1:20           ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-30 11:46           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 16:04             ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-07-30 18:38               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 21:05                 ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-07-31 16:36                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 16:19             ` david
2007-07-30 19:01               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 19:03                 ` david
2007-07-30 19:08                   ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]             ` <op.tv90xghwatcbto@linux.site>
     [not found]               ` <d3380cee0707300831m33d896aufcbdb188576940a2@mail.gmail.com>
2007-07-30 16:25                 ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-30 16:50                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-30 17:09                     ` Kyle Rose
2007-07-30 16:50                   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-07-30 16:58                     ` Rashkae
2007-07-30 17:51                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-07-30 18:29                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-30 19:53                     ` [ck] Re: SD still better than CFS for 3d ? Roland Dreier
2007-07-30 21:26                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-31  3:07                       ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31  7:01                         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-07-31 12:13                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-08-01  5:25                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-08-01  6:19                           ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-08-01  7:50                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-30 17:54             ` [ck] Re: SD still better than CFS for 3d ?(was Re: 2.6.23-rc1) Kenneth Prugh
2007-07-30 19:10               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 21:24                 ` Kenneth Prugh
2007-07-30 21:34                   ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-07-30 22:45                     ` Kenneth Prugh
2007-07-31  9:45                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31 13:16                     ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31 13:32                       ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-07-31 14:09                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31 15:57                         ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31 16:23                           ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-07-31 17:02                             ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31 14:18                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31 16:14                         ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31 16:45                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 23:46     ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-31  6:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-31  8:57         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31  9:11           ` Alan Cox
2007-07-31  9:13             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31  9:19               ` Avi Kivity
2007-07-31  9:44                 ` Alan Cox
2007-08-01 23:43           ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-08-02 12:10             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-02 15:42               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-08 14:38                 ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-08-03  6:31               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-02  2:35           ` Lee Revell
2007-08-02 11:45             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-02 13:39               ` Trond Myklebust
2007-08-02 13:03             ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]       ` <op.twbll7ugatcbto@linux.site>
2007-07-31  8:32         ` [ck] " Ingo Molnar
2007-07-28  2:04 ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-28  2:35   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28  7:09     ` [ck] " Grzegorz Kulewski
     [not found]       ` <954c7c800707280045t4607cebfj532ef025a7a57c05@mail.gmail.com>
2007-07-28 17:12         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 17:33           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-28 18:05             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 20:51               ` Diego Calleja
2007-07-28 20:59                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-29  5:04                   ` Roland Dreier
2007-07-28 21:09                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 22:16                   ` Alex Besogonov
2007-07-29  9:37                   ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29  9:04               ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29 10:28                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-07-29 10:56                   ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29 17:42                     ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-07-29 18:23                       ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29 18:54                         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-29 19:18                           ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-31  1:15                             ` Carlo Florendo
2007-07-31  9:57                               ` Bill Huey
2007-07-31 12:00                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-01  2:54                                 ` Carlo Florendo
2007-07-29 20:24                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-29 19:25                         ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-07-29  8:42           ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29  9:25           ` Tomas Carnecky
2007-07-28  7:36     ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-28 10:40       ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-28 16:10         ` Reporting bugs (was Re: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1) Stefan Richter
2007-07-28 16:21           ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-07-28  9:44     ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-28 17:50       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 18:07         ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-28 19:13         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-28 19:34           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 21:33             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 21:55               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-28 22:22                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-01  9:21             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-28 10:05     ` [ck] " Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-28 11:06       ` Dirk Schoebel
2007-07-28 13:18     ` Michael Chang
2007-07-28 17:25       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 18:03         ` jos poortvliet
2007-07-28 18:28           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 19:28             ` jos poortvliet
2007-07-28 20:07               ` Bill Huey
2007-07-28 21:06                 ` Diego Calleja
2007-07-28 21:32                   ` Bill Huey
2007-07-28 22:18                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-29  1:00                       ` Bill Huey
2007-07-29 14:31                         ` Diego Calleja
2007-07-29 18:31                           ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29 20:25                           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-29 21:48                             ` Bill Huey
2007-07-30  5:03                               ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-07  6:55                   ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-07 15:33                     ` Alan Cox
2007-07-28 20:31               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-29  0:03                 ` Con Kolivas
2007-07-29  1:23                   ` Charles philip Chan
2007-08-01  4:17                 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01  5:46                   ` Carlo Florendo [this message]
2007-08-01  6:16                     ` Hua Zhong
2007-08-01  7:05                       ` [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter who's code gets merged! Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-01  7:12                         ` Carlo Florendo
2007-08-01  8:14                         ` jos
2007-08-01 14:02                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-01 18:40                             ` Hua Zhong
2007-08-01 22:04                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-02 15:22                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-08-02 20:03                         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-08-02 20:05                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-02 20:33                             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-08-04  8:04                           ` [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter whose " Daniel Phillips
2007-08-01  7:09                       ` [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Carlo Florendo
2007-08-01 12:31                       ` Alan Cox
2007-07-28 21:07     ` Jory A. Pratt
2007-07-29 15:04   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-29 23:04     ` George Sescher
2007-07-29 23:18       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-29 23:38         ` George Sescher
2007-07-29 23:58           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-30  5:12         ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31 10:05         ` Bill Huey
2007-07-31 14:04           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31 15:44           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-30  6:44       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30  7:06         ` George Sescher
2007-07-30  7:55           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30  9:26             ` George Sescher
2007-07-30 10:26               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 16:13     ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-28 14:52 ` Ronni Nielsen
2007-07-28 17:30   ` Linus Torvalds

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