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From: Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>
To: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, ak@suse.de, heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com,
	davem@davemloft.net, schwidefsky@de.ibm.com,
	wensong@linux-vs.org, horms@verge.net.au, wjiang@resilience.com,
	cfriesen@nortel.com, zlynx@acm.org, rpjday@mindspring.com,
	jesper.juhl@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently on alpha
Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:53:14 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46BB2A5A.5090006@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070809143255.GA8424@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> Why not the same access-once semantics for atomic_set() as
> for atomic_read()?  As this patch stands, it might introduce
> architecture-specific compiler-induced bugs due to the fact that
> atomic_set() used to imply volatile behavior but no longer does.

When we make the volatile cast in atomic_read(), we're casting an rvalue to 
volatile.  This unambiguously tells the compiler that we want to re-load that 
register from memory.  What's "volatile behavior" for an lvalue?  A write to an 
lvalue already implies an eventual write to memory, so this would be a no-op. 
Maybe you'll write to the register a few times before flushing it to memory, but 
it will happen eventually.  With an rvalue, there's no guarantee that it will 
*ever* load from memory, which is what volatile fixes.

I think what you have in mind is LOCK_PREFIX behavior, which is not the purpose 
of atomic_set.  We use LOCK_PREFIX in the inline assembly for the atomic_* 
operations that read, modify, and write a value, only because it is necessary to 
perform that entire transaction atomically.

	-- Chris

  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-09 14:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-09 13:24 [PATCH 1/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently on alpha Chris Snook
2007-08-09 14:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-09 14:53   ` Chris Snook [this message]
2007-08-09 15:04     ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-09 15:24       ` Chris Snook
2007-08-09 15:50         ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-09 16:20           ` Chris Snook
2007-08-09 18:38             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-09 19:05               ` Chris Snook
2007-08-09 19:19                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-09 19:25                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-08-09 19:47                   ` Chris Snook
2007-08-09 23:02                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-09 16:10         ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-09 16:36           ` Chris Snook
2007-08-09 16:58             ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-09 17:14               ` Chris Snook
2007-08-09 17:41                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-09 18:13                   ` Chris Snook
2007-08-09 18:45                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-09 19:24                       ` Chris Snook
2007-08-10  1:28                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-10 19:49                           ` Chris Snook
2007-08-10 20:26                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-09 19:17                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-09 18:51             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-09 19:30               ` Chris Snook
2007-08-10  8:21           ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-10  9:08             ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-10 15:02               ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-10 20:07             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-11  0:00               ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-11  0:38                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-11  0:43                   ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-11  0:50                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-11  4:38                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks

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