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From: Michael Tharp <gxti@partiallystapled.com>
To: Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>
Cc: alan <alan@clueserver.org>, Marc Perkel <mperkel@yahoo.com>,
	LKML Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Lennart Sorensen <lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:14:33 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46C31859.6030306@partiallystapled.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ECFEFFF7-0210-4D16-B508-5284FCE58B28@mac.com>

Kyle Moffett wrote:
> Basically any newly-created item in such a directory will get the
> permissions described by the "default:" entries in the ACL, and
> subdirectories will get a copy of said "default:" entries.

This would work well, although I would give write permissions to a group
so the entire dir wouldn't need to be re-ACLed when a user is added. I
may give this a shot; I've been avoiding ACLs because they have always
sounded incomplete/not useful, but the inheritance aspect sounds rather
nice.

> So yes, such functionality is nice; even more so because we already have
> it.  I think if you were really going to "extend" a UNIX filesystem it
> would need to be in 2 directions:
>   (A)  Handling disk failures by keeping multiple copies of important
> files.

This is ZFS' bailiwick, no? I'd love to see the licensing issues
resolved, because if it can control level of redundancy on a
per-file/directory basis, I would be a very happy man.

>   (B)  Have version-control support

This might be pushing it, but hey, we *are* talking about the future here.

>   (C)  Allowing distributed storage (also lazy synchronization and
> offline modification support)

I'd really love to see distributed storage not suck. Everything I've
seen requires myriad daemons and ugly configuration.

> With some appropriate modifications and hooks, GIT actually comes pretty
> close here.  For larger files it needs to use a "list-of-4MB-chunks"
> approach to minimize the computation overhead for committing a
> randomly-modified file.  The "index" of course would be directly read
> and modified by vfs calls and via mapped memory.  Merge handling would
> need careful integration, preferably with allowing custom
> default-merge-handlers per subtree.  There would be lots more design
> issues to work out, but it's something to think about

Now you're just being silly ;)

> Cheers,
> Kyle Moffett

-- m. tharp

  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-15 15:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-14 22:45 Thinking outside the box on file systems Marc Perkel
2007-08-14 22:51 ` alan
2007-08-15 13:02   ` Michael Tharp
2007-08-15 13:30     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-08-15 13:53       ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 15:14         ` Michael Tharp [this message]
2007-08-15 16:36           ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 17:17             ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 17:30               ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 18:22                 ` Craig Ruff
2007-08-15 20:35                   ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-16 11:27                     ` Helge Hafting
2007-08-15 16:02         ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 16:57           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-15 17:09             ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 17:22               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 17:34                 ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-18 23:27                   ` Alan
2007-08-18 23:26                 ` Alan
2007-08-19  2:03                   ` david
2007-08-19  2:57                     ` Al Viro
2007-09-01 23:20                       ` Oleg Verych
2007-08-15 19:20               ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-08-16 23:12               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-08-15 16:58           ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 17:19             ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 17:37               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 17:59                 ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 19:26                   ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-08-15 20:11                     ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 20:44                       ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 21:04                         ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-08-16 11:42               ` Helge Hafting
2007-08-16 12:09                 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-08-15 17:34         ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-15 17:53           ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 18:05             ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 18:14               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 20:20                 ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 20:43                   ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-15 20:50                     ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 21:20                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-15 22:48                         ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-16  3:42                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-15 20:38             ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-15 21:17               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 22:14                 ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-16  4:44                   ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-16 15:09                     ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-16 15:29                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-16 17:28                         ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-16 17:31                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-16 22:03                             ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-16 23:17                       ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-17  4:24                         ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-17  4:52                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-17 15:19                         ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-17 15:39                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-17 19:01                             ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-18  5:48                               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-18 16:45                                 ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-18 18:19                                   ` Al Viro
2007-08-19  4:07                                     ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-20  7:05                                       ` Nix
2007-08-20  7:47                                         ` Brennan Ashton
2007-08-20 11:18                                           ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-20 13:32                                             ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-08-20 15:25                                             ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-08-20 15:26                                             ` Helge Hafting
2007-08-20 19:52                                               ` Nix
2007-08-20 16:21                                             ` [OT] " Randy Dunlap
2007-08-20 16:20                                               ` Xavier Bestel
2007-08-20 14:29                                       ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-20 15:13                                       ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-08-20 14:24                                 ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-15 22:40                 ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 17:54           ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 17:02   ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 17:30     ` Michael Tharp
2007-08-15 17:51       ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 20:02 ` Yakov Lerner
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-08-15  7:49 Tim Tassonis
2007-08-15 18:23 Brian Wheeler
2007-08-20 11:54 Tim Tassonis

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