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From: Ric Wheeler <ric@emc.com>
To: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
Cc: John Stoffel <john@stoffel.org>,
	Peter Staubach <staubach@redhat.com>,
	Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: NFS hang + umount -f: better behaviour requested.
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:09:14 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46CEF49A.2050105@emc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070821192556.GB27995@fieldses.org>

J. Bruce Fields wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 02:50:42PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote:
>   
>> Not in my experience.  We use NetApps as our backing NFS servers, so
>> maybe my experience isn't totally relevant.  But with a mix of Linux
>> and Solaris clients, we've never had problems with soft,intr on our
>> NFS clients.
>>
>> We also don't see file corruption, mysterious executables failing to
>> run, etc.  
>>
>> Now maybe those issues are raised when you have a Linux NFS server
>> with Solaris clients.  But in my book, reliable NFS servers are key,
>> and if they are reliable, 'soft,intr' works just fine.
>>     
>
> The NFS server alone can't prevent the problems Peter Staubach refers
> to.  Their frequency also depends on the network and the way you're
> using the filesystem.  (A sufficiently paranoid application accessing
> the filesystem could function correctly despite the problems caused by
> soft mounts, but the degree of paranoia required probably isn't common.)
>   
Would it be sufficient to insure that that application always issues an 
fsync() before closing any recently written/updated file? Is there some 
other subtle paranoid techniques that should be used?

ric


  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-24 16:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-20 22:54 NFS hang + umount -f: better behaviour requested Robin Lee Powell
2007-08-20 23:27 ` Neil Brown
2007-08-20 23:34   ` Robin Lee Powell
2007-08-21  1:51     ` Salah Coronya
2007-08-21 16:43 ` John Stoffel
2007-08-21 16:55   ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-08-21 17:01   ` Peter Staubach
2007-08-21 17:14     ` Chakri n
2007-08-21 17:14     ` Robin Lee Powell
2007-08-21 17:18       ` Peter Staubach
2007-08-21 18:50     ` John Stoffel
2007-08-21 19:04       ` Peter Staubach
2007-08-21 19:25       ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-08-24 15:09         ` Ric Wheeler [this message]
2007-08-24 15:37           ` Peter Staubach
2007-08-24 15:53           ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-08-21 23:04       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-22 10:03         ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-22 15:26         ` John Stoffel
2007-08-31  8:06       ` Ian Kent
2007-08-31 15:10         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-31 15:30           ` Ian Kent

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