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From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com>,
	Folkert van Heusden <folkert@vanheusden.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 17:11:44 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46E46190.6080607@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070909210329.GE25798@one.firstfloor.org>

Andi Kleen wrote:
>> I can see where you're coming from, but logically, this is wrong.
>> There's a huge slew of enterprise machines that only have DVD on SATA.
> 
> ... and enterprise systems don't really care about a few KB more of code.
> In fact you definitely want to have SATA compiled in in case you need
> to recover the machine later when the SAN is down.
> 
>> On the other hand, all of these machines will have SCSI disk devices on
>> various other transports, so no harm is done, it's just an inelegant
>> solution.
> 
> Do you know of a better one?

Let's step back a moment and consider the actual scale and impact of the 
problem at hand.

The vast majority of users are consumers of pre-compiled kernels, built 
by People With Clue(tm), who figured this stuff out as soon as it was 
introduced.

The current setup expresses the dependencies as they exist -- OPTIONAL 
extras, and that is a problem once a year or so, when someone builds 
their own kernel but must learn this fact anew.

There is simply no compelling need at all to change things from the 
current setup.

Our Kconfig system is for people who already know the kernel, not Aunt 
Tillie.

	Jeff




  reply	other threads:[~2007-09-09 21:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-07 12:48 sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig Folkert van Heusden
2007-09-07 14:40 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-09-07 14:58   ` Folkert van Heusden
2007-09-07 19:38     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-07 23:02       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-09-08  7:27         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-09-07 15:35 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-09-07 15:59   ` Folkert van Heusden
2007-09-07 16:21     ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-07 23:05       ` Folkert van Heusden
2007-09-08  7:05         ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08  7:29           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-09-08  7:56             ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08 16:31           ` Randy Dunlap
2007-09-08 16:44             ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08 16:48               ` Randy Dunlap
2007-09-08 19:45                 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08  8:43   ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-09-13  8:50   ` Helge Hafting
2007-09-14 16:42     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-14 18:44       ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08 16:07 ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-08 16:50   ` Randy Dunlap
2007-09-08 16:53     ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-09-08 18:13     ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-08 18:30       ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08 19:14         ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-08 19:32           ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-09 21:00   ` James Bottomley
2007-09-09 21:03     ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-09 21:11       ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2007-09-09 21:22         ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-09 21:39           ` James Bottomley
2007-09-10  6:38             ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-10 12:43               ` Rene Herman
2007-09-11 20:16           ` Bauke Jan Douma
2007-09-12 22:46         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-14 14:54           ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 15:15             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-14 15:37               ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 16:01                 ` [PATCH] SCSI: update Kconfig help text to indicate SCSI core's widespread usage Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 16:29                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-14 18:02                   ` [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 18:04                     ` [PATCH] SCSI: trailing whitespace in Kconfig Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 19:00                     ` [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two Sam Ravnborg
2007-09-14 19:06                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-14 20:01                         ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 11:40                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-15 12:24                             ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 12:50                               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-15 13:20                                 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 13:53                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-15 14:11                                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 14:43                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-15 15:27                                         ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 15:44                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-15 16:23                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-15 16:52                                               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-09-15 19:17                                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-15 20:54                                                   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-09-16 20:12                                               ` Greg KH
2007-09-15 16:42                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 11:29                               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2007-09-17 14:46                                 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 20:20                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 21:22                       ` [PATCH update] " Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 18:54                   ` [PATCH] SCSI: update Kconfig help text to indicate SCSI core's widespread usage Lennart Sorensen
2007-09-14 20:14                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 20:21                       ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-09-14 21:06                         ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 21:11                           ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-09-14 21:14                           ` [PATCH update] " Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 22:02                             ` FUJITA Tomonori
2007-09-15  6:16                               ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 10:52                                 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2007-09-15 12:30                                   ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 12:53                                     ` FUJITA Tomonori
2007-09-15 12:59                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-15 13:19                               ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 16:16                 ` sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig Adrian Bunk
2007-09-14 16:50                   ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15  8:04               ` Paul Rolland
2007-09-15  8:25                 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 13:00                   ` Paul Rolland
2007-09-15 15:50                     ` x86_64 usability bug: Kconfig prompt without help text (was Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig) Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 16:21                       ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-15 17:13                         ` [PATCH] x86_64: configure HPET_EMULATE_RTC automatically Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 18:23                 ` sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig david
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-09-08  3:52 Al Boldi
2007-09-08 13:47 ` Alan Cox
2007-09-08 14:03   ` Al Boldi
2007-09-08 16:08     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-09-09  4:11     ` Al Boldi
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     [not found] ` <918Rh-7Or-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <919aD-8ua-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
2007-09-08 16:52     ` Bodo Eggert
2007-09-08 18:22       ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08 18:54       ` Randy Dunlap

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