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From: Rene Herman <rene.herman@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>,
	Folkert van Heusden <folkert@vanheusden.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:43:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46E53C00.6060107@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46E4E64F.3070005@s5r6.in-berlin.de>

On 09/10/2007 08:38 AM, Stefan Richter wrote:

> Nevertheless we should try to arrange the menus in a way that makes
> sense to as many people as possible.  The difficulty is, different
> environments call for different menu layouts, as your previous example
> of SATA DVD-only boxes demonstrates.
> 
> However, liberal usage of 'select' is not the ultimate solution to
> create menus that work for more people.  Just one problem with select is
> that it works behind the back of the people configuring kernels (unless
> they use an UI with debug options turned on) --- they have less control,
> they are less informed.  ATA already 'select's SCSI.  What do we gain
> from hiding the fact that Linux' SCSI option is not just for those
> 50-wire ribbons (which people still think SCSI stands for) but is a very
> central Linux subsystem for even more than what complies to the SCSI
> family of standards?
> 
> 'select' should really be limited to switch on small library-like code
> without further dependencies or requirements.  SCSI, together with its
> upper layer options, is not of this kind of library.
> 
> We should think about order and grouping of prompts and the labels of
> prompts (there were already suggestions in this discussion) before we
> resort to 'select' --- or even worse, select options unconditionally
> which are not always necessary to be enabled.
> 
> A pro pos grouping of options --- consider how options for another
> central subsystem are laid out:
> 
> 	Networking
> 		Networking options
> 			...
> 			TCP/IP networking
> 			...
> 		...
> 
> 	Device Drivers
> 		...
> 		Network device support
> 			...
> 			Ethernet (10 or 100MBit)
> 			...
> 		...
> 
> This also happens to reflect the layout of sources in directories, and
> the current SCSI menu layout is close to source layout too --- but it
> doesn't have to be that way.

If someone's keen on really restructuring these things -- in this analogy:

Storage
	Storage Options
		...
		Disk
		Optical
		...
	...

Device Drivers
	...
	Storage Support
		...
		IDE
		PATA
		SATA
		SCSI
		USB
		FW
		...
	...

(sound is an example where both in the menus and the tree everything is kept 
under one top-level sound/ directory, not sound/ and drivers/sound/ as for 
networking -- opinions may vary which one's better I guess).

This is just config menus -- on a source code level, it would also make 
sense at least at some point to introduce "storage/" alongside net/ and 
sound/ and move things around I guess.

Rene.


  reply	other threads:[~2007-09-10 12:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-07 12:48 sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig Folkert van Heusden
2007-09-07 14:40 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-09-07 14:58   ` Folkert van Heusden
2007-09-07 19:38     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-07 23:02       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-09-08  7:27         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-09-07 15:35 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-09-07 15:59   ` Folkert van Heusden
2007-09-07 16:21     ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-07 23:05       ` Folkert van Heusden
2007-09-08  7:05         ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08  7:29           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-09-08  7:56             ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08 16:31           ` Randy Dunlap
2007-09-08 16:44             ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08 16:48               ` Randy Dunlap
2007-09-08 19:45                 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08  8:43   ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-09-13  8:50   ` Helge Hafting
2007-09-14 16:42     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-14 18:44       ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08 16:07 ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-08 16:50   ` Randy Dunlap
2007-09-08 16:53     ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-09-08 18:13     ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-08 18:30       ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08 19:14         ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-08 19:32           ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-09 21:00   ` James Bottomley
2007-09-09 21:03     ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-09 21:11       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-09 21:22         ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-09 21:39           ` James Bottomley
2007-09-10  6:38             ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-10 12:43               ` Rene Herman [this message]
2007-09-11 20:16           ` Bauke Jan Douma
2007-09-12 22:46         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-14 14:54           ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 15:15             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-14 15:37               ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 16:01                 ` [PATCH] SCSI: update Kconfig help text to indicate SCSI core's widespread usage Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 16:29                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-14 18:02                   ` [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 18:04                     ` [PATCH] SCSI: trailing whitespace in Kconfig Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 19:00                     ` [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two Sam Ravnborg
2007-09-14 19:06                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-14 20:01                         ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 11:40                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-15 12:24                             ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 12:50                               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-15 13:20                                 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 13:53                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-15 14:11                                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 14:43                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-15 15:27                                         ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 15:44                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-15 16:23                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-15 16:52                                               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-09-15 19:17                                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-15 20:54                                                   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-09-16 20:12                                               ` Greg KH
2007-09-15 16:42                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 11:29                               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2007-09-17 14:46                                 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 20:20                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 21:22                       ` [PATCH update] " Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 18:54                   ` [PATCH] SCSI: update Kconfig help text to indicate SCSI core's widespread usage Lennart Sorensen
2007-09-14 20:14                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 20:21                       ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-09-14 21:06                         ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 21:11                           ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-09-14 21:14                           ` [PATCH update] " Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 22:02                             ` FUJITA Tomonori
2007-09-15  6:16                               ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 10:52                                 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2007-09-15 12:30                                   ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 12:53                                     ` FUJITA Tomonori
2007-09-15 12:59                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-15 13:19                               ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 16:16                 ` sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig Adrian Bunk
2007-09-14 16:50                   ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15  8:04               ` Paul Rolland
2007-09-15  8:25                 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 13:00                   ` Paul Rolland
2007-09-15 15:50                     ` x86_64 usability bug: Kconfig prompt without help text (was Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig) Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 16:21                       ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-15 17:13                         ` [PATCH] x86_64: configure HPET_EMULATE_RTC automatically Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 18:23                 ` sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig david
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-09-08  3:52 Al Boldi
2007-09-08 13:47 ` Alan Cox
2007-09-08 14:03   ` Al Boldi
2007-09-08 16:08     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-09-09  4:11     ` Al Boldi
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     [not found]   ` <919aD-8ua-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
2007-09-08 16:52     ` Bodo Eggert
2007-09-08 18:22       ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08 18:54       ` Randy Dunlap

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