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From: Manu Abraham <abraham.manu@gmail.com>
To: Markus Rechberger <mrechberger@gmail.com>
Cc: Johannes Stezenbach <js@linuxtv.org>,
	Steven Toth <stoth@hauppauge.com>,
	"video4linux-list@redhat.com" <video4linux-list@redhat.com>,
	"linux-dvb@linuxtv.org" <linux-dvb@linuxtv.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [linux-dvb] [PATCH] Userspace tuner
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:52:59 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46EB9D6B.4040009@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d9def9db0709141849r4dc489c2h88ac99e3d4f56d50@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Markus,

Markus Rechberger wrote:

> The main discussion in this thread was about drivers in userspace
> are bad because the API will allow binary drivers. The guy
> who works for Hauppauge (again I also have good contacts
> at Hauppauge Europe) writes it's bad - for no technical reason.


AFAICS, Steven raised the same thoughts what i had.


> If someone points out that it is bad (after reading the whole thread)
> why don't we put X.org, bash, well everything into the kernel?


I am not saying that userspace is bad. In fact i am all for userspace,
_if_ there is much of a complication. For example we have had largely
complex devices. You might like to read this thread a while back.

This was the reason why we started up libdvbapi/mti (For those who don't
know what it is, libdvbapi/mti is a userspace approach for having device
support in userspace with complicated tuning algorithms with a lot of
calculations)

http://search.gmane.org/?query=Re%3A+%5BRFC%5D+Userspace+extensions%2C+was+Re%3A+%5Blinux-dvb%5D+%5Bpatch%5D+Add+support+for+different+tuning+algorithms&author=&group=linux.drivers.dvb&sort=relevance&DEFAULTOP=and&query=

For that demodulator and a successor for the same, i had finally moved
the same to in kernel with a lot of trouble. Maybe it is not as precise
as it should have been.

But what i mean is that we should use such approaches if there needs to
be a heavy valid reason and if there are many more devices going that
way, we should definitely move to userspace. Maybe the userspace idea is
a bit still immature.

That said, i don't see any such complexities with the XC3028


Manu

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-09-15  8:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <46C1BCC5.9090709@amd.com>
     [not found] ` <1189626560.5160.57.camel@gaivota>
     [not found]   ` <d9def9db0709121546h67d3d1ceuf001ab1d798fde92@mail.gmail.com>
2007-09-12 23:10     ` [linux-dvb] [PATCH] Userspace tuner Markus Rechberger
2007-09-13  4:58       ` Dâniel Fraga
     [not found]         ` <d9def9db0709122258l4b05546dq2e370e67a2a1404@mail.gmail.com>
2007-09-13 12:40           ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-09-13 13:17             ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-17 22:05         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-09-13 13:13       ` [linux-dvb] " Johannes Stezenbach
2007-09-13 14:12         ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-13 15:50           ` Manu Abraham
2007-09-13 16:08             ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-13 16:22               ` Manu Abraham
2007-09-13 16:32                 ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-13 16:52                   ` Manu Abraham
2007-09-13 20:36               ` Steven Toth
2007-09-13 23:17                 ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-14  1:03                   ` Steven Toth
2007-09-14  6:38                     ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-14  7:57                       ` Manu Abraham
2007-09-14  9:15                         ` Joerg Roedel
2007-09-14 12:00                           ` Manu Abraham
2007-09-14 16:09                             ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-14 18:52                               ` Alex Deucher
2007-09-14 18:59                                 ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-14 19:38                                   ` Alex Deucher
2007-09-14 16:13                             ` Joerg Roedel
2007-09-14 16:56                               ` Manu Abraham
2007-09-14 17:40                                 ` Joerg Roedel
2007-09-14 11:38                       ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-09-14 16:36                         ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-14 17:32                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2007-09-14 17:46                             ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-14 18:29                               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2007-09-14 19:20                                 ` Michael Krufky
2007-09-14 21:07                                   ` Aidan Thornton
2007-09-14 21:16                                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2007-09-14 21:53                                     ` Manu Abraham
2007-09-14 20:43                           ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-09-15  1:29                             ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-15  1:49                               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2007-09-15 13:16                               ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-09-15 13:38                                 ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-15 14:04                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2007-09-15 14:33                                     ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-15 14:45                                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2007-09-15 16:58                                     ` Bernard Jungen
2007-09-16 11:30                                       ` Hans Verkuil
2007-09-17  8:46                                       ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-15  1:49                             ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-15  3:09                               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2007-09-15 12:59                                 ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-15  8:52                               ` Manu Abraham [this message]
2007-09-15 13:34                               ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-09-15 14:56                                 ` Steven Toth
2007-09-14 13:52                   ` Alan Cox
2007-09-14 16:18                     ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-18  8:19                       ` Jelle Foks
2007-09-18  8:55                         ` Markus Rechberger
2007-09-18 22:56                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2007-09-18 23:00                           ` Alan Cox
2007-09-14  0:49                 ` hermann pitton
2007-09-14 12:10                 ` Alan Cox

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