From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: david@lang.hm
Cc: Jacob Meuser <jakemsr@sdf.lonestar.org>,
Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>, Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>,
"Can E. Acar" <can.acar@pro-g.com.tr>,
misc@openbsd.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Daniel Hazelton <dhazelton@enter.net>,
Eben Moglen <moglen@softwarefreedom.org>,
Lawrence Lessig <lessig_from_web@pobox.com>,
"Bradley M. Kuhn" <bkuhn@softwarefreedom.org>,
Matt Norwood <norwood@softwarefreedom.org>
Subject: Re: Wasting our Freedom
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:01:08 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <46EDC3C4.2030602@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0709161632500.24221@asgard.lang.hm>
david@lang.hm wrote:
> you claim that it's unethical for the linux community to use the code,
> but brag about NetApp useing the code. what makes NetApp ok and Linux
> evil? many people honestly don't understand the logic behind this.
> please explain it.
There are two highly relevant angles to this that nobody is mentioning:
1) Does it make sense to share code, at a technical level?
The fact is, BSD and Linux wireless stacks are quite different. Linux
also has a technical requirement that "Linux drivers look like Linux
drivers." This enables a vast array of source code checking tools like
Coverity and sparse, as well as maximizing human reviewer bandwidth.
Therefore, there is a strong /technical/ motivation for the source code
to diverge. That's quite natural.
2) Information sharing is both rampant and healthy.
Linux and BSD projects share a vast amount of hardware knowledge,
information on how to properly program hardware. Linux folks use BSD
code as /reference documentation/, and BSD folks do the same with Linux
code.
This is far more efficient in many cases, due to the natural divergence
of the respective codebases. It is often easier to look at codebase A,
and then mentally translate that into code for codebase B, than to
directly copy and reuse code.
Jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-09-17 0:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-09-16 18:48 Wasting our Freedom Can E. Acar
2007-09-16 19:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-16 19:59 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-16 20:39 ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-16 21:11 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-17 9:10 ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 12:08 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-18 13:58 ` frantisek holop
2007-09-16 21:12 ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-16 23:16 ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-16 23:40 ` david
2007-09-17 0:01 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2007-09-17 9:30 ` Henning Brauer
2007-09-17 12:57 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 13:15 ` Jason Dixon
2007-09-17 13:19 ` Hans-Jürgen Koch
2007-09-17 13:27 ` Sean
2007-09-17 13:33 ` Jason Dixon
2007-09-17 13:42 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 21:39 ` Ingo Schwarze
2007-09-17 23:56 ` Ingo Schwarze
2007-09-17 7:47 ` Helge Hafting
2007-09-17 11:50 ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-17 13:28 ` David Newall
2007-09-18 11:17 ` Helge Hafting
2007-09-17 11:18 ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 12:19 ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17 13:39 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-17 15:20 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 19:50 ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17 20:35 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-17 21:09 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 23:35 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-18 0:03 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-18 0:44 ` Al Viro
2007-09-17 12:55 ` Claudio Jeker
2007-09-17 13:34 ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17 19:23 ` Claudio Jeker
2007-09-17 20:43 ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17 22:06 ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-17 23:47 ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-18 18:55 ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-18 19:04 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-09-18 19:51 ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-18 19:37 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-18 22:24 ` Martin Schlemmer
2007-09-18 9:00 ` Henning Brauer
2007-09-18 11:29 ` Marco Peereboom
2007-09-18 12:04 ` Wasting our Bandwidth Xavier Bestel
2007-09-18 12:24 ` Marco Peereboom
2007-09-18 12:56 ` Wasting our Freedom Theodore Tso
2007-09-18 11:28 ` Gilles Chehade
2007-09-18 15:47 ` Denis Doroshenko
2007-09-18 15:55 ` frantisek holop
2007-09-18 17:15 ` Marco Peereboom
2007-09-18 23:34 ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-19 0:24 ` Alan Cox
2007-09-16 21:13 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-16 22:37 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-16 23:09 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 0:29 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 0:57 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 1:35 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 1:51 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 3:37 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 1:19 ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-17 1:40 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 1:44 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 9:20 ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 13:38 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 15:15 ` Paul de Weerd
2007-09-17 15:38 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 18:02 ` Paul de Weerd
2007-09-17 18:32 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 19:27 ` Paul de Weerd
[not found] ` <c746fc3a3d81920b224537f96efe1605@localhost>
2007-09-17 19:44 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 15:25 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 16:18 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 17:14 ` Wasting My Time (was Re: Wasting our Freedom) Eric Furman
2007-09-16 22:19 ` Wasting our Freedom David Schwartz
2007-09-17 11:20 ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 11:57 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-17 12:06 ` Hannah Schroeter
2007-09-17 12:36 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-16 20:32 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-17 3:00 ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-17 3:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-17 5:33 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-17 6:43 ` Can E. Acar
2007-09-17 7:36 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-17 12:10 ` Krzysztof Halasa
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[not found] ` <948rP-3pK-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <949e6-4Ed-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
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[not found] ` <94l5J-6gO-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <94oZy-3Sa-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <94qIg-6Ft-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
2007-09-18 11:16 ` Bodo Eggert
2007-09-18 11:46 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-09-18 11:49 ` Jason Dixon
[not found] <5C8C3794-C62A-4935-8267-81080CCF6867@dixongroup.net>
2007-09-15 10:33 ` J.C. Roberts
2007-09-15 10:58 ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-16 7:32 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-16 7:52 ` J.C. Roberts
2007-09-16 8:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-16 8:29 ` Rene Herman
2007-09-16 9:17 ` J.C. Roberts
2007-09-16 9:33 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-16 15:23 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-16 20:08 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-17 8:22 ` J.C. Roberts
2007-09-17 14:10 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 14:44 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-16 20:33 ` Theodore Tso
2007-09-16 8:23 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-16 10:05 ` J.C. Roberts
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