From: Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>
To: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Cc: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
ebiederm@xmission.com, cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com, greg@kroah.com,
stern@rowland.harvard.edu, kay.sievers@vrfy.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] module: implement module_inhibit_unload()
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:25:17 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <46F8C5ED.6060101@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1190695118.27805.307.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Rusty Russell wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-09-25 at 12:36 +0900, Tejun Heo wrote:
>> Rusty Russell wrote:
>>> As stated you cannot protect arbitrary code this way, as you are trying
>>> to do. I do not think you've broken any of the current code, but I
>>> cannot tell. You're certainly going to surprise unsuspecting future
>>> authors.
>> Can you elaborate a bit? Why can't it protect the code?
>
> Because you don't know what that code does. After all, it's assumed
> that module code doesn't get called after exit and you're deliberately
> violating that assumption.
What I meant by protecting 'code' was the 'code' itself. Those pages
containing instructions that cpu executes. It of course can't protect
against all the things they do.
>>> Can you really not figure out the module owner of the sysfs entry to inc
>>> its use count during this procedure? (__module_get()).
>> I can but I don't think it's worth the effort. It will involve passing
>> @owner parameter down through kobject to sysfs but the path is pretty
>> obscure and thus difficult to test.
>
> Have you tested that *this* path works? Let's take your first change as
> an example:
>
> + mutex_lock(&gdev->reg_mutex);
> + __ccwgroup_remove_symlinks(gdev);
> + device_unregister(dev);
> + mutex_unlock(&gdev->reg_mutex);
>
> Now, are you sure that calling cleanup_ccwgroup just after
> device_unregister() works?
>
> static void __exit
> cleanup_ccwgroup (void)
> {
> bus_unregister (&ccwgroup_bus_type);
> }
It should. After ->exit() is called, there can't be any object left
behind. If a module is hosting objects which can't be destroyed from
->exit(), its module ref count shouldn't be zero. So, either 1.
refcount != 0 or 2. ->exit() can destroy all objects. As Cornelia
explains, for ccwgroup, it's #1. Note that unload inhibition doesn't
change anything about this.
>> I think it's too much work for the
>> users of the API and it will be easy to pass the wrong @owner and go
>> unnoticed.
>
> But your shortcut insists that all module authors be aware that
> functions can be running after exit() is called. That's a recipe for
> instability and disaster.
No, it doesn't change that at all. All unload inhibition does is
postponing removal of code (and data too of course) section a bit so
that a module can host code which issues unloading of itself. Object
synchronization rules remain exactly the same. Formerly broken code is
still broken and I don't even think unload inhibition would mask them
too much either.
I think the naming is too ambiguous. Maybe it should be named something
like "hold_module_for_suicide".
Thanks.
--
tejun
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-09-25 8:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-09-20 7:26 [PATCHSET 2/4] sysfs: allow suicide Tejun Heo
2007-09-20 7:26 ` [PATCH 1/4] module: implement module_inhibit_unload() Tejun Heo
2007-09-24 22:00 ` Jonathan Corbet
2007-09-24 23:18 ` Tejun Heo
2007-09-24 23:42 ` Rusty Russell
2007-09-25 1:40 ` Tejun Heo
2007-09-25 2:12 ` Rusty Russell
2007-09-25 2:39 ` Tejun Heo
2007-09-25 3:21 ` Rusty Russell
2007-09-25 3:36 ` Tejun Heo
2007-09-25 4:38 ` Rusty Russell
2007-09-25 8:01 ` Cornelia Huck
2007-09-25 8:25 ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2007-09-25 8:36 ` Tejun Heo
2007-09-25 8:50 ` Rusty Russell
2007-09-25 14:05 ` Tejun Heo
2007-09-25 14:24 ` Alan Stern
2007-09-25 14:30 ` Tejun Heo
2007-09-25 15:09 ` Alan Stern
2007-09-25 23:15 ` Tejun Heo
2007-09-25 23:41 ` Rusty Russell
2007-09-26 1:42 ` Tejun Heo
2007-09-26 14:39 ` Alan Stern
2007-09-20 7:26 ` [PATCH 4/4] sysfs: make suicidal nodes just do it directly Tejun Heo
2007-09-20 9:24 ` Cornelia Huck
2007-09-20 9:43 ` Tejun Heo
2007-09-28 13:54 ` Cornelia Huck
2007-09-28 14:27 ` Tejun Heo
2007-09-20 7:26 ` [PATCH 2/4] sysfs: make the sysfs_addrm_cxt->removed list FIFO Tejun Heo
2007-09-20 7:26 ` [PATCH 3/4] sysfs: care-free suicide for sysfs files Tejun Heo
2007-09-25 22:02 ` [PATCHSET 2/4] sysfs: allow suicide Greg KH
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