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From: "Kok, Auke" <auke-jan.h.kok@intel.com>
To: mgross@linux.intel.com
Cc: Lennart Sorensen <lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:33:33 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <470E424D.5080507@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071010204422.GC5097@linux.intel.com>

Mark Gross wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 11:41:17AM -0700, Kok, Auke wrote:
>> Lennart Sorensen wrote:
>>> On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:31:51PM -0700, Kok, Auke wrote:
>>>> you most certainly want to do this in userspace I think.
>>>>
>>>> One of the biggest problems is that link negotiation can take a significant amount
>>>> of time, well over several seconds (1 to 3 seconds typical) with gigabit, and
>>>> having your ethernet connection go offline for 3 seconds may not be the desired
>>>> effect for when you want to get more bandwidth in the first place.
>>>>
>>>> However, when a laptop is in battery mode, switching down from gigabit to 100mbit
>>>> makes a lot more sense, so this is something I would recommend. This can be as
>>>> easy as changing the advertisement mask of the interface and renegotiating the
>>>> link. Userspace could handle that very easily.
>>> Now if you were trying to transfer a lot of data to the laptop, would it
>>> be more power efficient to do it at gigabit speeds so you can finish
>>> sooner and shut down the machine entirely, or to slow to 100mbit and
>>> take longer to do it, and hence spend more time powering the cpu and
>>> ram?
>> my suspicion is that the cost of switching is much higher than what you would
>> consume running at 100mbit, even if the amount of data is quite large. going
>> offline to renegotiate the link would already cost you 3W typically.
>>
>> I definately think that userspace is the right field to solve this problem: let
>> the users decide how to use the available power on their sytems through a decent
>> power profile tool (perhaps gnome-power-manager or something like that). This way
>> the user can choose.
>>
> 
> Auke, 
> I was wondering if we could use PM-QOS to have the driver drop to the
> 100Mb speed, when requests for bandwidth and latency are not in effect?

sure, that would probably work just fine. Technically this is not that hard anyway

I suppose that HAL integration is lacking a bit and missing ethtool ioctl code for
this which would be another solution - and would work without any driver changes.

Auke

  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-11 15:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-08 22:07 gigabit ethernet power consumption Pavel Machek
2007-10-08 22:31 ` Kok, Auke
2007-10-09  5:18   ` Willy Tarreau
2007-10-09 18:28   ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-10-09 18:41     ` Kok, Auke
2007-10-10 20:44       ` Mark Gross
2007-10-11 15:33         ` Kok, Auke [this message]
2007-10-11 11:35       ` K.Prasad
2007-10-11 15:18         ` Kok, Auke
2007-10-10  6:35     ` Oliver Neukum
2007-10-09  5:08 ` Chris Snook
2007-10-09  6:58 ` Oliver Neukum
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     [not found]   ` <9cs0n-3Dc-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <9csjH-43E-33@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <9d4yC-5hT-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <9d7ZJ-2mI-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
2007-10-12  2:08           ` Bodo Eggert
2007-10-12 16:35             ` Kok, Auke
2007-10-12 20:30               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-10-12 20:46                 ` Kok, Auke
2007-10-17 13:00                   ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-10-17 16:38                     ` Kok, Auke

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